Trad sites: SOSS(Same OL Sad Song)

[denitaA]

I’m beginning to get tired of visiting certain Trad websites which get “preachy” about women’s dress at Mass, and about women’s roles in general. While I agree about women wearing veils and modest clothes-never had a problem with that- it’s the roles that get me. One site mentioned proper dress for sports, etc. There are some things women in sports can’t do in skirts. Not that they need to wear skimpy attire either, but here I see no wrong with pants, as long as they’re not tight.
What really got me was the line about “feminine pursuits.” They told young girls to be ready for the role of “wife and mother,” as if that’s their only choice!
I may sound like a broken CD, but I’m sick of being made to feel that I’m a failure as a Trad woman. I’m 50, past menopause, adult convert, no call to religious life, with a mental disability. Yet these people who write these things say I’m a failure. I’ve been told to “quit whining.” I’ll quit when the Trad internet community quits telling me I’m a failure. I admire those women with large families, especially the homeschoolers. So why can’t these men who write these articles show me the same courtesy? Sorry I’m ranting again, but I can’t help it.:banghead::dts::twocents:

 

[mary_bobo]

Why assume these charges to yourself? You are going to run into all kinds of people with all kinds of ideas. Accept the ones you want and let the rest go. It is not worth getting upset about. Other option, don’t visit whose websites.

 

[TrueLight]

I’m beginning to get tired of visiting certain Trad websites which get “preachy” about women’s dress at Mass, and about women’s roles in general. While I agree about women wearing veils and modest clothes-never had a problem with that- it’s the roles that get me. One site mentioned proper dress for sports, etc. There are some things women in sports can’t do in skirts. Not that they need to wear skimpy attire either, but here I see no wrong with pants, as long as they’re not tight.
What really got me was the line about “feminine pursuits.” They told young girls to be ready for the role of “wife and mother,” as if that’s their only choice!
I may sound like a broken CD, but I’m sick of being made to feel that I’m a failure as a Trad woman. I’m 50, past menopause, adult convert, no call to religious life, with a mental disability. Yet these people who write these things say I’m a failure. I’ve been told to “quit whining.” I’ll quit when the Trad internet community quits telling me I’m a failure. I admire those women with large families, especially the homeschoolers. So why can’t these men who write these articles show me the same courtesy? Sorry I’m ranting again, but I can’t help it.:banghead::dts::twocents:

Why don’t you just stop visiting those sites?

Do you feel the same way at your parish community? If you are fine at your parish then just stay away from negativity.

If you put your personal life out there for someone’s approval, you better believe they are going to criticize you if they can. Human nature. You shouldn’t feel like a failure because some people on some websites say that you are.

 

[St_Francis]

Just think about they would have said about St Joan of Arc!

 

[yukonbrad]

Those individuals would have a heart attack if they walked into my parish church, esspecially in the summer. Don’t worry about what such people say or think.

 

[triumphguy]

Those individuals would have a heart attack if they walked into my parish church, esspecially in the summer. Don’t worry about what such people say or think.

I bet they would have no problem in winter!

 

[yukonbrad]

I bet they would have no problem in winter!

Somehow I think they would - people like that make a career out of finding something objectionable.

 

[HonoraDominum]

Why don’t you just stop visiting those sites?

Do you feel the same way at your parish community? If you are fine at your parish then just stay away from negativity.

If you put your personal life out there for someone’s approval, you better believe they are going to criticize you if they can. Human nature. You shouldn’t feel like a failure because some people on some websites say that you are.

This.

The only activity that seems to draw the non-moms in my parish is the Altar Flower committee, oddly enough. Luckily for me, the women on our Altar Flower committee rock. And seriously, it’s a couple of single women, a bunch of married childless women, and a couple of empty nesters.

I think for the most part my parish is not too terribly hard-nosed about wardrobe. I can often spot a newbie in the parish pretty quickly because of the fact that they don’t quite “fit in” - they’re wearing a bit more makeup than everyone else, or their skirt is just a little shorter than everyone else’s, or they’re not veiling, or something like that. But I’ve noticed of these women that the more they come back, their style tends to change. I know mine did, even with just little subtle things. And I don’t think it’s because they feel like the priests are yelling “CONFORM!!” from the pulpit. It’s more that people sensibilities change when they start taking their religion more seriously, and part of that change is a natural drift towards modesty. I love that my priests teach regularly about the dignity of women, and the respect that men should show towards women, and how women should act appropriately so that they will be treated with this respect. I also love how young men in my parish will open my door, or give me the right of way, simply as a “gentlemanly” action.

Once, when I was in the kitchen with a couple of ladies at church, we had a long discussion about how it was really nice to have the liberty to simply be women when we were at church, and let the men do the “men” things and the women do the “women” things. It’s nice to be around women who don’t look at you funny when you wear a skirt, and to be around men who treat women with respect simply because they are women. It’s nice to be around women who don’t look at you odd when you say that you don’t want women priests because God said it should be men and that’s perfectly okay with you. It’s also nice to be around strong, manly priests who take their “Father” role very seriously.

That being said, I go to daily Mass @ 6:30a 3-4 days a week in pants, because I’m going right before work. There are men there in jeans and mechanic shirts, and polos and khakis, and women in ponytails and no makeup who want a bit of quiet time before their kids wake up. While worshiping God is a priority, those of us who make it a high enough priority to be at daily Mass also know that sometimes we have to work it in our busy schedule out here in the world.

Also? There are multiple blogs who I visit on rare occasions but I have to close the page after a while because I lose my peace. They are either preachy, or self-absorbed, or are telling me something is wrong about me that I know is not wrong. For example, I believe that abortion is wrong, but I don’t feel a strong call to protest abortion clinics during events like 40 Days for Life. I also don’t feel a strong call to work with the poor like the Third Order for the Missionaries of Charity. However, I do feel a strong call to spend much time in prayer, both at church and in my personal life, and to conform to the will of God by giving Him glory as often as I am able. This desire to pray means that I spend a lot of time in front of the Tabernacle in prayer, time when I don’t see the women who protest outside of abortion clinics or who volunteer to work with the poor. Does that make what I do or what they do any more or less important? No. Which is why I get so cranky when I hear bloggers (mostly men) make “Good Catholic women should …” Well, maybe some, but not me.

That’s probably way too many points to make in one post, and for my excessive loquaciousness I am heartily sorry.

Pray to know God’s will for you, and for you to have the strength to do what He is asking of you to do right now, in this present moment. As a very recent Audio Sancto homily states, God is giving you the opportunity to grow in holiness right here, right now. Tell God that you Love him and desire to grow closer to Him right now, and He will help you follow the path that He is leading you on. Also? All that talk about having to deal with peanut butter in little Sally’s hair will make you appreciate not having kids, just a little bit I bet.

 

[TrueLight]

This.

The only activity that seems to draw the non-moms in my parish is the Altar Flower committee, oddly enough. Luckily for me, the women on our Altar Flower committee rock. And seriously, it’s a couple of single women, a bunch of married childless women, and a couple of empty nesters.

I think for the most part my parish is not too terribly hard-nosed about wardrobe. I can often spot a newbie in the parish pretty quickly because of the fact that they don’t quite “fit in” - they’re wearing a bit more makeup than everyone else, or their skirt is just a little shorter than everyone else’s, or they’re not veiling, or something like that. But I’ve noticed of these women that the more they come back, their style tends to change. I know mine did, even with just little subtle things. And I don’t think it’s because they feel like the priests are yelling “CONFORM!!” from the pulpit. It’s more that people sensibilities change when they start taking their religion more seriously, and part of that change is a natural drift towards modesty. I love that my priests teach regularly about the dignity of women, and the respect that men should show towards women, and how women should act appropriately so that they will be treated with this respect. I also love how young men in my parish will open my door, or give me the right of way, simply as a “gentlemanly” action.

Once, when I was in the kitchen with a couple of ladies at church, we had a long discussion about how it was really nice to have the liberty to simply be women when we were at church, and let the men do the “men” things and the women do the “women” things. It’s nice to be around women who don’t look at you funny when you wear a skirt, and to be around men who treat women with respect simply because they are women. It’s nice to be around women who don’t look at you odd when you say that you don’t want women priests because God said it should be men and that’s perfectly okay with you. It’s also nice to be around strong, manly priests who take their “Father” role very seriously.

That being said, I go to daily Mass @ 6:30a 3-4 days a week in pants, because I’m going right before work. There are men there in jeans and mechanic shirts, and polos and khakis, and women in ponytails and no makeup who want a bit of quiet time before their kids wake up. While worshiping God is a priority, those of us who make it a high enough priority to be at daily Mass also know that sometimes we have to work it in our busy schedule out here in the world.

Also? There are multiple blogs who I visit on rare occasions but I have to close the page after a while because I lose my peace. They are either preachy, or self-absorbed, or are telling me something is wrong about me that I know is not wrong. For example, I believe that abortion is wrong, but I don’t feel a strong call to protest abortion clinics during events like 40 Days for Life. I also don’t feel a strong call to work with the poor like the Third Order for the Missionaries of Charity. However, I do feel a strong call to spend much time in prayer, both at church and in my personal life, and to conform to the will of God by giving Him glory as often as I am able. This desire to pray means that I spend a lot of time in front of the Tabernacle in prayer, time when I don’t see the women who protest outside of abortion clinics or who volunteer to work with the poor. Does that make what I do or what they do any more or less important? No. Which is why I get so cranky when I hear bloggers (mostly men) make “Good Catholic women should …” Well, maybe some, but not me.

That’s probably way too many points to make in one post, and for my excessive loquaciousness I am heartily sorry.

Pray to know God’s will for you, and for you to have the strength to do what He is asking of you to do right now, in this present moment. As a very recent Audio Sancto homily states, God is giving you the opportunity to grow in holiness right here, right now. Tell God that you Love him and desire to grow closer to Him right now, and He will help you follow the path that He is leading you on. Also? All that talk about having to deal with peanut butter in little Sally’s hair will make you appreciate not having kids, just a little bit I bet.

Very inspiring post.

 

[Dee_S]

IWhat really got me was the line about “feminine pursuits.” They told young girls to be ready for the role of “wife and mother,” as if that’s their only choice!
I may sound like a broken CD, but I’m sick of being made to feel that I’m a failure as a Trad woman. I’m 50, past menopause, adult convert, no call to religious life, with a mental disability. Yet these people who write these things say I’m a failure. I’ve been told to “quit whining.” I’ll quit when the Trad internet community quits telling me I’m a failure. I admire those women with large families, especially the homeschoolers. So why can’t these men who write these articles show me the same courtesy? Sorry I’m ranting again, but I can’t help it.:banghead::dts::twocents:

I know exactly how you feel and what you mean. It took me some time to ‘click’ that the Traditional bias focuses on telling women what their role is…ad nauseam. It is unfortunately an arrogant blindness, fostered from one male to another in their circles, to keep their ‘Eve’s’ under control. I have had to point out the errors in their thinking many a time - in response to Trad men (and priests) blaming Eve for the fall of Mankind. This they love to bandy about as it makes them feel superior and ‘theologically’ reinforces their erroneous position and their insecurities.

The truth about Adam & Eve can be read in any good theology book. Adam inherited the punishment for Original Sin - not Eve. This is a dogma of the Church. The fact that it took the Devil and all his powers to tempt Eve and that it only took Eve to tempt Adam, is a sign of the weakness of the man, who nevertheless was held accountable by God.

Ok, that said. Having ‘clicked’ I started asking the question…where is the role training for boys in all this Traditional renewal/restoration? Are boys being brought up to understand their awesome responsibilities, before God for their wives and families? Are young boys preached at to be good fathers, husbands, heads and leaders of their households? Are they admonished for their potential to selfishness, anger, lust, pride, lack of tenderness and all the faults we see around us in men who do not properly understand their God-given role and responsibility?

Ask a few Trad’s these and similar questions. Take a look at the St Thomas Aquinas catechism regarding the 6th commandment. He holds men more responsible for sins of the flesh than women, as he tells that they have strength above that of a woman (being their role to lead etc). Can quote this if anyone would like. Always comes as a big surprise to these Trad men, as they are brought up blaming ‘Eve’ and wallowing in an erroneous and so-called ‘weakness of the flesh’ that they have been brought up to believe in and excuse themselves by …blaming Eve again. All us little ‘Eve’s’ are perceived as their clay-heel and much to be feared and kept in our place.

Time overdue that the movement is started towards making men of males - that would actually solve some very major issues in the world (hey sorry to all the good guys out there this is not a bashing session just for the sake of it - I do have a point)

p.s. these men that write articles???
should start writing them for the guys

 

[Mike30]

Which sites are you referring to? I would like to see what they have to say.

 

[Stylites]

I’m beginning to get tired of visiting certain Trad websites which get “preachy” about women’s dress at Mass, and about women’s roles in general. While I agree about women wearing veils and modest clothes-never had a problem with that- it’s the roles that get me. One site mentioned proper dress for sports, etc. There are some things women in sports can’t do in skirts. Not that they need to wear skimpy attire either, but here I see no wrong with pants, as long as they’re not tight.
What really got me was the line about “feminine pursuits.” They told young girls to be ready for the role of “wife and mother,” as if that’s their only choice!
I may sound like a broken CD, but I’m sick of being made to feel that I’m a failure as a Trad woman. I’m 50, past menopause, adult convert, no call to religious life, with a mental disability. Yet these people who write these things say I’m a failure. I’ve been told to “quit whining.” I’ll quit when the Trad internet community quits telling me I’m a failure. I admire those women with large families, especially the homeschoolers. So why can’t these men who write these articles show me the same courtesy? Sorry I’m ranting again, but I can’t help it.:banghead::dts::twocents:

Really it’s all a wider issue than just what some so-called “Trad” bloggers tiredly write. Feeling welcomed and appreciated is core to everyone’s being. The Church rightly honors marriage and motherhood, but those who are single or childless ought not take this emphasis as a discourtesy or a personal slight or a delaration of personal failure, because the Church wishes to help those who need help and has no desire to cause feelings of being unwelcomed. As you say, women with large families you can admire, and I am sure all people of good will can rejoice in the happiness of others. The opposite occurs in the secular society, where the messages being broadcast to the youth are that marriage and motherhood and staying at home are themselves failures and things to be looked down upon, and the motivations of these secular messages are not good ones.

Many women are fulfilled in bringing their immense skills to the workforce, while it is also true that many children suffer as a result of this secularization of society. I long ago once heard an elderly Irish priest tell me matter-of-factly that unemployment is entirely cause by women entering into the labor market, and if they were to stay at home and raise their children then there would be no unemployment. He was probably correct in his assessment, and his motivation was entirely pastoral, and yet voicing his opinion didn’t lessen the unemployed rate for even one person.

 

[Justin_Swanton]

Really it’s all a wider issue than just what some so-called “Trad” bloggers tiredly write. Feeling welcomed and appreciated is core to everyone’s being. The Church rightly honors marriage and motherhood, but those who are single or childless ought not take this emphasis as a discourtesy or a personal slight or a delaration of personal failure, because the Church wishes to help those who need help and has no desire to cause feelings of being unwelcomed. As you say, women with large families you can admire, and I am sure all people of good will can rejoice in the happiness of others. The opposite occurs in the secular society, where the messages being broadcast to the youth are that marriage and motherhood and staying at home are themselves failures and things to be looked down upon, and the motivations of these secular messages are not good ones.

Many women are fulfilled in bringing their immense skills to the workforce, while it is also true that many children suffer as a result of this secularization of society. I long ago once heard an elderly Irish priest tell me matter-of-factly that unemployment is entirely cause by women entering into the labor market, and if they were to stay at home and raise their children then there would be no unemployment. He was probably correct in his assessment, and his motivation was entirely pastoral, and yet voicing his opinion didn’t lessen the unemployed rate for even one person.

It’s an old story this - Dorothy Sayers was the first to point it out, the fact that what women did at home in the good old days before industrialisation amounted to a large slice of the national economy, proof that a woman is capable of a great deal more than household chores and minding children. Let me quote her:"…You don’t as a rule find the men trying to take the women’s jobs away from them. They don’t force their way into the household and turn women out of their rightful occupations."

Of course they do not. They have done it already.

Let us accept the idea that women should stick to their own jobs - the jobs they did so well in the good old days before they started talking about votes and women’s rights. Let us return to the Middle Ages and ask what we should get then in return for certain political and educational privileges which we should have to abandon.

It is a formidable list of jobs: the whole of the spinning industry, the whole of the dyeing industry, the whole of the weaving industry. The whole catering industry and - which would not please Lady Astor, perhaps - the whole of the nation’s brewing and distilling. All the preserving, pickling and bottling industry, all the bacon-curing. And (since in those days a man was often absent from home for months together on war or business) a very large share in the management of landed estates. Here are the women’s jobs - and what has become of them? They are all being handled by men. It is all very well to say that woman’s place is in the home - but modern civilisation has taken all these pleasant and profitable activities out of the home, where the women looked after them, and handed them over to big industry, to be directed and organised by men at the head of large factories. Even the dairy-maid in her simple bonnet has gone, to be replaced by a male mechanic in charge of a mechanical milking plant. - Are women human? from Unpopular Opinions
Industrialisation created a society where women were markedly underused, compared to how they had contributed to the national economy in the past. Ultimately they got fed up: the work would not come to them, so they eventually went out to find the work. This pulled them away from the home and weakened the solidarity of the domestic foyer, and to date there is no real solution to the problem, unless the wife has a job that can be done at home (and how many can count on that?).

Contemporary women have to try and balance things, imperfectly, between their work and their family, until the time industrialism collapses and there is no longer a dichotomy between the two. No point talking about an ‘ideal’ solution.

 

[LucyLight]

This.

The only activity that seems to draw the non-moms in my parish is the Altar Flower committee, oddly enough. Luckily for me, the women on our Altar Flower committee rock. And seriously, it’s a couple of single women, a bunch of married childless women, and a couple of empty nesters.

I think for the most part my parish is not too terribly hard-nosed about wardrobe. I can often spot a newbie in the parish pretty quickly because of the fact that they don’t quite “fit in” - they’re wearing a bit more makeup than everyone else, or their skirt is just a little shorter than everyone else’s, or they’re not veiling, or something like that. But I’ve noticed of these women that the more they come back, their style tends to change. I know mine did, even with just little subtle things. And I don’t think it’s because they feel like the priests are yelling “CONFORM!!” from the pulpit. It’s more that people sensibilities change when they start taking their religion more seriously, and part of that change is a natural drift towards modesty. I love that my priests teach regularly about the dignity of women, and the respect that men should show towards women, and how women should act appropriately so that they will be treated with this respect. I also love how young men in my parish will open my door, or give me the right of way, simply as a “gentlemanly” action.

Once, when I was in the kitchen with a couple of ladies at church, we had a long discussion about how it was really nice to have the liberty to simply be women when we were at church, and let the men do the “men” things and the women do the “women” things. It’s nice to be around women who don’t look at you funny when you wear a skirt, and to be around men who treat women with respect simply because they are women. It’s nice to be around women who don’t look at you odd when you say that you don’t want women priests because God said it should be men and that’s perfectly okay with you. It’s also nice to be around strong, manly priests who take their “Father” role very seriously.

That being said, I go to daily Mass @ 6:30a 3-4 days a week in pants, because I’m going right before work. There are men there in jeans and mechanic shirts, and polos and khakis, and women in ponytails and no makeup who want a bit of quiet time before their kids wake up. While worshiping God is a priority, those of us who make it a high enough priority to be at daily Mass also know that sometimes we have to work it in our busy schedule out here in the world.

Also? There are multiple blogs who I visit on rare occasions but I have to close the page after a while because I lose my peace. They are either preachy, or self-absorbed, or are telling me something is wrong about me that I know is not wrong. For example, I believe that abortion is wrong, but I don’t feel a strong call to protest abortion clinics during events like 40 Days for Life. I also don’t feel a strong call to work with the poor like the Third Order for the Missionaries of Charity. However, I do feel a strong call to spend much time in prayer, both at church and in my personal life, and to conform to the will of God by giving Him glory as often as I am able. This desire to pray means that I spend a lot of time in front of the Tabernacle in prayer, time when I don’t see the women who protest outside of abortion clinics or who volunteer to work with the poor. Does that make what I do or what they do any more or less important? No. Which is why I get so cranky when I hear bloggers (mostly men) make “Good Catholic women should …” Well, maybe some, but not me.

That’s probably way too many points to make in one post, and for my excessive loquaciousness I am heartily sorry.

Pray to know God’s will for you, and for you to have the strength to do what He is asking of you to do right now, in this present moment. As a very recent Audio Sancto homily states, God is giving you the opportunity to grow in holiness right here, right now. Tell God that you Love him and desire to grow closer to Him right now, and He will help you follow the path that He is leading you on. Also? All that talk about having to deal with peanut butter in little Sally’s hair will make you appreciate not having kids, just a little bit I bet.

Your post seems pretty biased.You speak of women’s sensibilities changing when they start to take their religion more seriously. I’m hoping you didn’t mean, when women start to attend a “Traditional” parish they start taking their religion more seriously as opposed to attending an Ordinary Form mass.

I’ve been to many OF masses and no one looks at women funny for wearing skirts, (in the warmer mths I’d say the majority or women wear skirts). Men do open doors and give up their seats for women. And if there are members who want female priests they aren’t vocalizing it. You also said, “it’s also nice to be around strong, manly priests who take their “Father” role very seriously.” Yikes, I hope you are not saying that priests at a “Traditional” parish are stronger, more manly, or take their role of father more seriously.

I know you said a lot more but I’m having trouble getting past this. If I have misconstrued your comments, I sincerely apologize and would welcome your correction.

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

I bet they would have no problem in winter!

Yes they would. Women wearing pants.

I can empathize with this woman. As a young woman who doesn’t come from the most traditional womanly background, I don’t really fit in with my traditional parish community. I do heavy-lifting, watch football, shoot guns, can do defense tactics and ground fighting, and I’m not googoo for babies, or gagga for toddlers. Foul and crude language doesn’t phase me (I don’t like it, and don’t use it, but it doesn’t scandalize me). I might actually be tougher than a number of the men in our Latin Mass Community.

 

[tabycat]

Just think about they would have said about St Joan of Arc!

How to to true!!!:sad_yes:

 

[HonoraDominum]

Your post seems pretty biased.You speak of women’s sensibilities changing when they start to take their religion more seriously. I’m hoping you didn’t mean, when women start to attend a “Traditional” parish they start taking their religion more seriously as opposed to attending an Ordinary Form mass.

I’ve been to many OF masses and no one looks at women funny for wearing skirts, (in the warmer mths I’d say the majority or women wear skirts). Men do open doors and give up their seats for women. And if there are members who want female priests they aren’t vocalizing it. You also said, “it’s also nice to be around strong, manly priests who take their “Father” role very seriously.” Yikes, I hope you are not saying that priests at a “Traditional” parish are stronger, more manly, or take their role of father more seriously.

I know you said a lot more but I’m having trouble getting past this. If I have misconstrued your comments, I sincerely apologize and would welcome your correction.

Okay, I’m all about clarification. I’m not going to lie - my FSSP priests rock and I love my parish. That being said, apparently I am not very clear when communicating at 11p at night after a long day. My comparisons were more of a Catholic vs. Non-Catholic ilk, not EF vs OF. Not only is it a violation of forum rules, it’s not something that I feel is charitable.

• Women who begin to take religion more seriously, no matter what form, tend to become more modest and words and actions. I’ve just noticed it in my parish than I did when I was at my OF parish. Quite honestly, I never knew many of the people at my old parish because it was so big it was hard to even know who was new and who was a regular. It’s one of the reasons I moved to a smaller parish, quite honestly.
• The comment about women wearing skirts was not talking about at church, I was talking about at work, at social gatherings outside of church, and times around non-Catholics. I’m the only woman at work who ever wears skirts, and then I’m only wearing them 1-2x a week. Other than my deliciously retro Bettie Page-banged friend, none of my friends ever wear skirts either. While I can get away with my more casual maxi-skirts at social gatherings, if I were to wear the skirt set to a social gathering that I wore to my church today, people would think I must be going to a funeral or a very stodgy church to wear something that long and black and conservative. And to work, people would think I was going to a job interview or something.
• By “strong, manly priests”, I was comparing them to the wishy-washy men of my generation who do not take their careers or fatherhood very seriously a lot of the time. Or their religion for that matter, in many cases. In my parish, I’ve gotten to know my priests and have seen the fatherly guidance and the sacrifices they make to lead their parish more than I ever did at my old OF parish, but not because it was an OF parish. It’s because my parish is much smaller and I have the opportunity to see them work up close. I never got to know the priests at my old OF parish because they were so swamped that they didn’t have time to do social activities with the parish groups. Our priests, on the other hand, hang out at the Sunday Social activities, and will stop by the kitchen on Saturdays to chat with the Altar Girls for a bit. They’re also available for spiritual direction, which is an amazing blessing that I never had at my OF parish.

 

[LucyLight]

Okay, I’m all about clarification. I’m not going to lie - my FSSP priests rock and I love my parish. That being said, apparently I am not very clear when communicating at 11p at night after a long day. My comparisons were more of a Catholic vs. Non-Catholic ilk, not EF vs OF. Not only is it a violation of forum rules, it’s not something that I feel is charitable.

• Women who begin to take religion more seriously, no matter what form, tend to become more modest and words and actions. I’ve just noticed it in my parish than I did when I was at my OF parish. Quite honestly, I never knew many of the people at my old parish because it was so big it was hard to even know who was new and who was a regular. It’s one of the reasons I moved to a smaller parish, quite honestly.
• The comment about women wearing skirts was not talking about at church, I was talking about at work, at social gatherings outside of church, and times around non-Catholics. I’m the only woman at work who ever wears skirts, and then I’m only wearing them 1-2x a week. Other than my deliciously retro Bettie Page-banged friend, none of my friends ever wear skirts either. While I can get away with my more casual maxi-skirts at social gatherings, if I were to wear the skirt set to a social gathering that I wore to my church today, people would think I must be going to a funeral or a very stodgy church to wear something that long and black and conservative. And to work, people would think I was going to a job interview or something.
• By “strong, manly priests”, I was comparing them to the wishy-washy men of my generation who do not take their careers or fatherhood very seriously a lot of the time. Or their religion for that matter, in many cases. In my parish, I’ve gotten to know my priests and have seen the fatherly guidance and the sacrifices they make to lead their parish more than I ever did at my old OF parish, but not because it was an OF parish. It’s because my parish is much smaller and I have the opportunity to see them work up close. I never got to know the priests at my old OF parish because they were so swamped that they didn’t have time to do social activities with the parish groups. Our priests, on the other hand, hang out at the Sunday Social activities, and will stop by the kitchen on Saturdays to chat with the Altar Girls for a bit. They’re also available for spiritual direction, which is an amazing blessing that I never had at my OF parish.

HonoraDominum, thank you for the clarification . I apologize for misreading your post. I’ve read so many posts that unfairly compare the EF mass crowd with the OF mass crowd that it’s easy to assume the worst.

 

[Southwell]

To quote that great moral theologian Winnie the Pooh;

“Beauty and fashion have a way of altering from day to day”

What was scandalous in 1950 is tame today. The modern Church may have gone too far toward immodesty but some traditionalists, not officially, mind you, are stuck in 1940, those fashions would have scandalized Catholics of 1910!!! Modesty is the key here one day the whole church will be on the same page, please God!

On the issue of “women’s roles”. Check out St Paul’s epistles Lydia was a “Seller of Purple Cloth”. A business woman and the church met in her house, was she a deaconess? Or. Sextant? Roles like fashion, as above, alter. The authors of those website should get over it! Jesus met people where they were - publicans, tax collectors, and even prostitutes!!! Would those websites welcome them

 

[denitaA]

Which sites are you referring to? I would like to see what they have to say.

catholicapologetics.info/morality/modesty/dress.htm