Tradition can be misleading? So can the Bible.

[c659smith]

Justforasking4

That the Church was not there at the crucification as it stands today.

You are right.

Is the Roman Catholic Church the Church of Peter that Jesus said Peter on this rock I will build my Church–undeniable.

In Rome Christians were being slaughtered for a couple hundred years.

But His church did not fall and those that attacked it were destroyed.

The Roman Catholic Church --The Universal Church

Can yopu name me an earlier organized Christian Church

Who was inspired to write the Bible?

Was it Lutherans?

Was it Baptists?

Was it Methodists?

Yes the bible you read today comes from the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[justasking4]

:whacky: :whacky:

So JUSTASKING AND NEVER ANSWERING YOU ARE LIKE A PAINFUL HEMORROID THAT WON’T GO AWAY. WHY DON’T YOU DO US ALL A FAVOR AND GO PLAY HOPSCOTCH DURING RUSH HOUR ON YOUR FAVORITE HIGHWAY?

Why not try to repair all the disunity in the Protestant churches. That should keep you and your followers busy for about 12,000 years.

:whacky:

 

[justasking4]

Justforasking4

That the Church was not there at the crucification as it stands today.

You are right.

Is the Roman Catholic Church the Church of Peter that Jesus said Peter on this rock I will build my Church–undeniable.

In Rome Christians were being slaughtered for a couple hundred years.

But His church did not fall and those that attacked it were destroyed.

The Roman Catholic Church --The Universal Church

Can yopu name me an earlier organized Christian Church

Who was inspired to write the Bible?

Was it Lutherans?

Was it Baptists?

Was it Methodists?

Yes the bible you read today comes from the Roman Catholic Church.

Would you happen to know when the term “Roman Catholic” was first used?

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

How can the church itself be infallible when the individual parts are not?

A tautology. Then; how can the Bible be inerrant when the only source of its inerrancy are the statements and Traditions of the Catholic Church???

Not even the apostles claimed infalliblity for themselves.

And this inane statement is from someone who claims to know the Bible!

justasking4 NEVER asks NOR does she EVER respond to questions. Shake the dust off of our sandals on this one.

Robert

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

Warning to other thread participants

he continues to make unfounded accusations.

The first honest statement made by justasking4 and it applies to her/him!

Holy Moly!

Robert

 

[Rbt_Southwell]

Would you happen to know when the term “Roman Catholic” was first used?

Hey Pope Justasking4, here’s an easy one:

Would you happen to know when the term Sola Scriptura was first used?

How about your last name? Doesn’t it date from the 1200s (assuming you’re of European ancestry) and doesn’t it pertain to where your ancestors lived or what one of them did for a living?

Your questions are impertinent and juvenile. Consider yourself reprimanded (see St Paul) and go away in Peace.

Robert

 

[justasking4]

Hey Pope Justasking4, here’s an easy one:

Would you happen to know when the term Sola Scriptura was first used?

How about your last name? Doesn’t it date from the 1200s (assuming you’re of European ancestry) and doesn’t it pertain to where your ancestors lived or what one of them did for a living?

Your questions are impertinent and juvenile. Consider yourself reprimanded (see St Paul) and go away in Peace.

Robert

 

[alanjeddy]

Would you happen to know when the term “Roman Catholic” was first used?

You are unable to answer intelligently.

 

[justasking4]

:

You are unable to answer intelligently.

:crying:

 

[alanjeddy]

I think JUST ASKING FOR IT is a 92 year old woman with a moustache. When Justasking 4 was twelve she was walking her pet and they both got splashed by a Catholic priest who drove through a puddle. He/she has never forgotten or forgiven that accidental and un-premeditated occurence. This explains her/his
hatred of our Church.

 

[justasking4]

The first honest statement made by justasking4 and it applies to her/him!

Holy Moly!

Robert

 

[justasking4]

I think JUST ASKING FOR IT is a 92 year old woman with a moustache. When Justasking 4 was twelve she was walking her pet and they both got splashed by a Catholic priest who drove through a puddle. He/she has never forgotten or forgiven that accidental and un-premeditated occurence. This explains her/his
hatred of our Church.

:nope: :nope: :nope:

 

[guanophore]

Do you understand, accept and believe everything the catholic church teaches?

no

I don’t think i’m alone on this either. I know a number of catholics that accept some things but not others.

Then they are not Catholic. They are Protestants, but they are uneducated, and they don’t know it.

So it seems then that there are no new modern SACRED TRADITIONS correct?

There are more modern understandings of Sacred Revelation. We undersstand things much better now through the study of science an history. But the Deposit of Faith was given once and for all by Jesus.

 

[guanophore]

Warning to other thread participants

he continues to make unfounded accusations.

He is only making observations based on your posts!

justasking4:

This is not true. What you must do is be on guard against false teachers in your own church. The scriptures do warn of false teachers in the church itself. There was no promise given by Christ that this would not happen.

But nevertheless it is important to see what these Traditions are, what is there origin and when did they begin. If you are going to defend the catholic church you going to have to defend its Sacred Traditions also. Scripture and Tradition go hand in hand in the catholic church.

Here you state up front that false teaching has occurred in the Catholic Church. You deny the promise of Christ to preserve His Apostles from error. Next, you state you want to examine those traditions, for the express purpose of getting Catholics to defend them, even though you have already rejected any defense that might be brought.

guanophore:

My question is, why is it important to YOU, to know what these Traditions are? You have already said that you don’t believe anything that is not written in the Bible. Why do you keep asking about them?

justasking4:

Because the catholic church elevates these Tradition claims to the same level as the inspired-inerrant Scripture. Second, if catholics are going to believe that
these Traditions are at the same level as Scripture then its vitally important to understand specifically what these Traditions are.

guanophore:

You have already stated they are “speculations of men” and have no validity, since you do not see them in your bible.

justasking4:

i want to help others see it to. Engaging for the truth is never a waste of time. Secondly it might get someone who reads these posts to rethink their position.

Here you clearly state that your purpose in engaging in a discussion of Sacred Traditions is to get “someone” to rethink their position.

So, where is my conclusion “unfounded”?

 

[guanophore]

We don’t have to answer any further to Justbeing stupid Let us rather ask him to defend all the splintered protestants faiths. He believes homosexuality is the cause. Now does not that put his thought processes in perspective? Notice all the other Protestants coming to his defense? He is out there on stupid island. He is an embarrastment.

This is not very charitable, alan.

Supposing a person really is learning disabled, or has a perceptual problem?

 

[guanophore]

Would you happen to know when the term “Roman Catholic” was first used?

I have to agree with ja4 on this point.:bigyikes:

The Roman Rite was not disinguishable from the other Rites at the time. There was one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. The Roman Rite as a separate entity did not develop for many centuries later.

 

[alanjeddy]

This is not very charitable, alan.

Supposing a person really is learning disabled, or has a perceptual problem?

You are right. I have lost it with him. I try to go to confession at least 2 or 3 times a month. I need to go even more frequently because of him.

I have given up certain addictions that were hard to break. In our attempt to respond to our call to holiness I am certain that certain impediments are put in our spiritual journeys. Perhaps he is here to teach me tolerance, charity and to love my enemies. Having said that I have decided to no longer engage in any further discourse with him. It is really a no win situation.

Thank you for your sincere constuctive comments. God bless you
and good bye.

Alan

 

[guanophore]

Perhaps he is here to teach me tolerance, charity and to love my enemies.  Thank you for your sincere constuctive comments. God bless you and good bye.

Alan

I am certain this is true for me as well. We seem to have people put in our path that we need, in order to become more perfect in holiness. As you can see, my confrontations here have revealed my true status…

What kind of catholic are you that slanders me like this?? This is absolutely sickening and it is a wicked sin on your part.

Thats why you slander. You take what i’m saying out of context.

So I reckon I will be next you in the pew outside the confessional.

 

[Elizabeth2]

yes to both.

The problem is that the Roman Catholic church did not exist when He spoke this.

You can claim this but Scripture and the history of your church shows something far different.

Jesus knew he wasn’t going to be walking this earth forever, he knew that he was going to die. So he left the Church to continue his work. That was the mission of the Church to go out into the world to preach the Gospel. The Holy Spirit came at Pentecost to empower believers to do this: to go out and preach the good news: the repentence and forgiveness of sins, to Baptize them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Jesus promised that he would never leave his followers. But if you notice he didn’t say, “Tell people to take up their bibles and read.” He said things like “Whoever listens to you listens to me”
“Whose sins you shall forgive they are forgiven”, “Do this in memory of me”. St Paul speaks a lot about the Body of Christ: the Church. It isn’t meant to be just God and me. God calls his people into a community: a family. From Old Testament God called a people to himself. “You will be my people and I will be your God”.
The Church is made up of sinful people yes, but that’s what it is there for, to help people lead better lives more closely united to Christ. It seems to me you are stuck in the Church’s past. The Church moves slowly but she has learned from past mistakes. Since we aren’t just spiritual beings but human we need a visible structure. There’s the vertical dimension between God and man and also the horizontal one with each other.
The problem is justasking4 you are looking at the Catholic Church from the outside with a critical spirit, and that makes you unteachable. If you really want to know the Catholic Church you should look more closely at how she views herself. I recommend reading “The Gospel of Life” by Pope John Paul. It’s easy to read. I recommend all his writings and yes even though I haven’t read all of them I have read quite a few. He was a great communicator, one of the best. In my books he was the best.
Peace

 

[sterryfamily]

Y’all just ignore justasking4. He PURPOSELY misrepresents Sacred Tradition and is here just to antagonize. We have told him over and over that it is not a list of doctrines, but a test by which doctrines are authenticated. He just keeps saying these things to get you guys and as long as he does, he feels he’s winning.

Just ignore.