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In my opinion any person or group that advocates against evolution as if it were an article of faith automatically loses any I could have for them.

Also the group is obsessed with the middle ages as if it was the perfect era in human history no it was not the middle ages were a time when bishops ran brothels and monks were the biggest costumers. the nobility and clergy ruled and went to war for their own benefit and were hardly saintly figures to emulate

They also are obsessed with knights and chivalry let it be perfectly clear knights have more in common with the modern mafia then they do with King Arthur. These were people who would do anything and kill anyone for money or land. Again not at all an example for youth.

In short they are stuck in the past as if it is the solution to all the probelms we face today even if everyone in the world accepted christ we would still have sin and be in roughly the same position we are now that is reality not what they want.
 
Bl_Pope_Pius_IX said:
Not so. Professor Plinio Correa de Oliveira advocated for a monarchical system, not truly a Republic. They are, however, staunchly conservative, socially and fiscally.
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You’re right. I should have said right “right wing” or “conservative.” Sorry I was imprecise. I read it quickly and said these guys vote Republican not Democrat.
 
Zadrazil said:
In my opinion any person or group that advocates against evolution as if it were an article of faith automatically loses any I could have for them.
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I think it is very apparent that people have used the theory of evolution as “proof” of atheism in a very malgnant way.
Also the group is obsessed with the middle ages as if it was the perfect era in human history no it was not the middle ages were a time when bishops ran brothels and monks were the biggest costumers. the nobility and clergy ruled and went to war for their own benefit and were hardly saintly figures to emulate
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(Side point: many accusations against monks and nuns were alleged for the purpose of stealing their property, which was used to help the poor.)

IOW, people in the Middle Ages were affected by original sin and concupiscence just as they are now.

The thing is, the ideals to which peope aspired were much higher than the ideals put forth now in Western socieities. Where once protection of women and children was the ideal, now we allow women into combat zones and permit the wholesale abandonment of children from divorce to abortion.

I don’t think one can judge purely on the basis of sin, altho even in that case our current society would fail. One has to judge a society on all its aspects.
They also are obsessed with knights and chivalry let it be perfectly clear knights have more in common with the modern mafia then they do with King Arthur. These were people who would do anything and kill anyone for money or land. Again not at all an example for youth.
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Yes, there were bad knights, just as there are bad police officers. But not all the knights were bad. Did you know that the conferring of knighthood involved a period of prayer and fasting as well as vows to protect the weak? It was this not at all like the mafia, which does not trun to the Church for guidance.
In short they are stuck in the past as if it is the solution to all the probelms we face today
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I think that setting higher goals is a wonderful idea which will help people to attain a higher level of holiness than “accepting they will do bad things,” as we do today.
even if everyone in the world accepted christ we would still have sin and be in roughly the same position we are now that is reality not what they want.
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I can not agree with this at all. Why on earth would someone be Catholic if this were the case? Accepting Christ and striving for holiness is bound to improve people, even if they do continue to fall. At least they won’t be left wallowing in the mire of despair: they will receive God’s help in being good and thus fall less and less frequently. And the more people are striving to please God, the more love there will be, and that is always a good thing.
 
Bl_Pope_Pius_IX said:
TFP seems to be a fine, upstanding organization that is surely worthy of our praise.

Is there anything in specific you wanted to know about them? I have never pursued anything with them, they don’t usually come this far north unfortunately!
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Their website left a favourable impression of them, but - as far as I know - they are not active anywhere near where I live, though there are supposedly chapters over here in Europe. I was thus curious whether any other forum members had any experience with them, and how they were perceived.
 
MPSchneiderLC said:
You’re right. I should have said right “right wing” or “conservative.” Sorry I was imprecise. I read it quickly and said these guys vote Republican not Democrat.
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They aren’t conservative, they are reactionary, huge difference.
 
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