Tradition of Church (Catholic) and tradition of a man (Martin Luther)

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I just don’t understand how Protestantism believe the Bible since the Church (Tradition) decided which book to include. And a man who instituted the word (Alone) in Romans 3 that was not even on the Greek text, could they (Protestant) called to be idolatry, worshiping the man rather worshiping the word of God?
 
I just don’t understand how Protestantism believe the Bible since the Church (Tradition) decided which book to include. And a man who instituted the word (Alone) in Romans 3 that was not even on the Greek text, could they (Protestant) called to be idolatry, worshiping the man rather worshiping the word of God?
Perhaps Protestants really want an absolute certainty of their faith, which they believe can only be found in a book, the book, the Bible. It is a romanticized notion that God gives them a Book, and that Book is to be the only and final authority for everything. Ordinary protestants wouldn’t want to know too much about how the Bible came about. They only want to believe by faith that this is the Word of God, and that’s it for them. No one else will trump the authority of the Bible. No one else could tell them how to interpret the Bible. It is between them and the Bible. They want to keep things simple.

Protestantism is sad. It wants to grasp so much that it does not want to look at reality.
 
Don’t be too hard on Protestants; they’re our separated brothers and sisters.

Yes, there has yet to be a reasonable explanation to the question of how Scripture is the final authority on matters of faith, yet in Scripture, Scripture itself gives itself no authority to define what constitutes the canon of Scripture…that was done “extra-biblically”. That’s pretty hard to swallow for hard-core fundamentalists.

Many protestants also follow the remnants of Catholocism, so at least they have part of it right. 😃
 
[sarcasm]When I read Catholics being as charitable as they are in the first two posts on this thread I am always brought closer to believing that these people must possess the truth.[/sarcasm]
 
So you’re OK with the third post in this thread? 😉
More ok than the first two – at least it attempts to be charitable. My point was this. If you’re being uncharitable it doesn’t matter what you so – no one is listening anyway.
 
I just don’t understand how Protestantism believe the Bible since the Church (Tradition) decided which book to include. And a man who instituted the word (Alone) in Romans 3 that was not even on the Greek text, could they (Protestant) called to be idolatry, worshiping the man rather worshiping the word of God?
Who decided that the four Gospel accounts were legitimately apostolic, and when was it decided?

Who decided that Paul’s letters were authentic, and when was it decided?
 
So by more OK you apparently have a disagreement; what would that be?
 
That is an interesting question.

I don’t know anything about any word “Alone” in Romans 3, but I think that most Christians kinda worship the man more than the divine aspect. Catholics swear on their lives that they’re eating the true flesh and blood… and not just the Word and Spirit of Jesus, like some “sects” might believe. And from the way most Catholics on here make it seem, the Protestants almost seem to worship the physical book itself more than the Word.

Christian Scientists actually don’t even consider the material world to be real, which is actually an important key message of Christ Jesus, which they literally put the divine part before the man. They believe in the Spirit of God and the Spirit of man, and somehow Christ is a connection (just an example?) between the two, citing a passage like this:

Mark 10 said:
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As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up, knelt down before him, and asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
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Jesus answered him, "Why do you call me good? 3 No one is good but God alone.

At the same time, I am attracted to Catholocism, because if Christ were real… I would want to know that history so I could prove it to those in disbelief. Christian Science is a bit of a kooky idea to just jump from “everything is spiritual” to “therefore, I can heal people like Christ Jesus so long as all us Christian Scientists can forget about the material world for just a minute”. But all religions are kooky to an extent.

But I like the idea that the Spirit is more important than the man. Some people think they can prove a spiritual world and that souls are real. I’d like to see the argument, but it is strange that God and Spirit are pretty key to probly 85% of the world’s population. So there’s not much argument there, as far as I’m concerned.

Perhaps “The Kingdom of God Is Within You” is all we really need to know… but wouldn’t proving to agnostics that people really did die by the thousands because they witnessed a Resurrection of a 100%/100% God/Man be extremely important to you?? I think it would be my new lifelong plan if I had historical evidence to link Yeshua 100% with the Creator and His Spirit(s). If the Catholics had real, honest to goodness evidence that Christ truly became man to deliver this message, was hung on a cross, thrown in a tomb, and then people saw the tomb was empty and even saw the Resurrected Christ Jesus appearing to thousands of people… I’d love to share these facts with the world in a comprehensive manner. If that could be proved, I’d convert to Catholocism today and share the message with the emphasis that it IS 100% truth in both the material, physical world and the spiritual world and Word.

🤷

Some things I think I’ll never know.
 
So by more OK you apparently have a disagreement; what would that be?
I have no problem with the style and that is what my original post commented on was the style of the first two posts. I refuse to participate in a material way in a thread whose entire intent (as evidenced by the title) is disrespect to one’s brothers and sisters in Christ.
 
[sarcasm]When I read Catholics being as charitable as they are in the first two posts on this thread I am always brought closer to believing that these people must possess the truth.[/sarcasm]
Dear Drawmack,

I apologize for having offended you. Thank you for pointing out to me something in my spirit that needs to be worked on.

I do not mean to demean protestants. I do have grudges against protestantism because of the damages it caused to my life. I’m convinced that protestantism is heretical and capable of causing much spiritual confusion. With that said, though, I’m in no position to judge why people believe what they believe. Life is confusing and sad in many aspects. We all struggle to do what we believe to be good and just.

Again I’m sorry for having offended you.
 
That is an interesting question.

I don’t know anything about any word “Alone” in Romans 3, but I think that most Christians kinda worship the man more than the divine aspect. Catholics swear on their lives that they’re eating the true flesh and blood… and not just the Word and Spirit of Jesus, like some “sects” might believe. And from the way most Catholics on here make it seem, the Protestants almost seem to worship the physical book itself more than the Word.

Christian Scientists actually don’t even consider the material world to be real, which is actually an important key message of Christ Jesus, which they literally put the divine part before the man. They believe in the Spirit of God and the Spirit of man, and somehow Christ is a connection (just an example?) between the two, citing a passage like this:

At the same time, I am attracted to Catholocism, because if Christ were real… I would want to know that history so I could prove it to those in disbelief. Christian Science is a bit of a kooky idea to just jump from “everything is spiritual” to “therefore, I can heal people like Christ Jesus so long as all us Christian Scientists can forget about the material world for just a minute”. But all religions are kooky to an extent.

But I like the idea that the Spirit is more important than the man. Some people think they can prove a spiritual world and that souls are real. I’d like to see the argument, but it is strange that God and Spirit are pretty key to probly 85% of the world’s population. So there’s not much argument there, as far as I’m concerned.

Perhaps “The Kingdom of God Is Within You” is all we really need to know… but wouldn’t proving to agnostics that people really did die by the thousands because they witnessed a Resurrection of a 100%/100% God/Man be extremely important to you?? I think it would be my new lifelong plan if I had historical evidence to link Yeshua 100% with the Creator and His Spirit(s). If the Catholics had real, honest to goodness evidence that Christ truly became man to deliver this message, was hung on a cross, thrown in a tomb, and then people saw the tomb was empty and even saw the Resurrected Christ Jesus appearing to thousands of people… I’d love to share these facts with the world in a comprehensive manner. If that could be proved, I’d convert to Catholocism today and share the message with the emphasis that it IS 100% truth in both the material, physical world and the spiritual world and Word.

🤷

Some things I think I’ll never know.
It is very delightful to hear your meditation. You obviously have thought a lot about life and spirituality. Your analysis on Catholicism and other christian thoughts seems to be right on target.
It seems that what you need is the gift of faith. God definitely desires to show Himself to you, but will He actually prove everything as you have requested? I don’t know. Catholics cannot prove to you, per se, that Christ was truly born of a virgin, was crucified, resurrected, and ascended to heaven. yet we are absolutely certain that it was so. It is the gift of faith in us that make us believe with certainty what we cannot see or touch. Same thing with Eucharist, authority of the Church, power of prayer, communion of saints, working of the Holy Spirit in our daily life, etc, etc. The things of God cannot be proved in a scientific sense. There can be signs, though, if we ask in good faith to see them.

I’m saying a Hail Mary for you right now that you might pray and receive the gift of faith and be brought home to the Catholic Church.

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women, blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the end of our death. Amen!!!
 
I have no problem with the style and that is what my original post commented on was the style of the first two posts. I refuse to participate in a material way in a thread whose entire intent (as evidenced by the title) is disrespect to one’s brothers and sisters in Christ.
I would not wish to disrespect you Drawmack.

Maybe you might agree that catholics would do better in explaining why we feel that tradition is an important factor that must be combined with the bible…

I believe that the Catholic Church has been handing down the same traditions that started with the Apostles. I find it remarkable that the traditions continue today with the Pope acting as the lead Apostle -and even writing letters to the people just as was done in the bible (letters to the corinthians, etc.)

The bible remains the foundation for us to look upon as the model, as well a way to truly know Jesus.
 
I just don’t understand how Protestantism believe the Bible since the Church (Tradition) decided which book to include. And a man who instituted the word (Alone) in Romans 3 that was not even on the Greek text, could they (Protestant) called to be idolatry, worshiping the man rather worshiping the word of God?
Absolutely.

Let me tell ya about Luther.
  1. His personal Crest was the same as the Rosicrucianers who used it on the third cover of their periodical (source is Riplinger’s second book).
  2. He was an extreme Antisemitic which, at the very least is a sign of demonic oppression and/or possession (Rev 12).
  3. He widdled the Bible down from 72 Inspired Books to 66 Books which is a Masonic Number.
  4. He nailed his thesis to the door of the Church on Halloween - the Highest Occult Day of the Year.
Martin Luther was an Occultist Mason…
 
Dear Drawmack,

I apologize for having offended you. Thank you for pointing out to me something in my spirit that needs to be worked on.

I do not mean to demean protestants. I do have grudges against protestantism because of the damages it caused to my life. I’m convinced that protestantism is heretical and capable of causing much spiritual confusion. With that said, though, I’m in no position to judge why people believe what they believe. Life is confusing and sad in many aspects. We all struggle to do what we believe to be good and just.

Again I’m sorry for having offended you.
Apology accepted and thank you for offering it.

Peace of Christ with you.
 
I would not wish to disrespect you Drawmack.

Maybe you might agree that catholics would do better in explaining why we feel that tradition is an important factor that must be combined with the bible…

I believe that the Catholic Church has been handing down the same traditions that started with the Apostles. I find it remarkable that the traditions continue today with the Pope acting as the lead Apostle -and even writing letters to the people just as was done in the bible (letters to the corinthians, etc.)

The bible remains the foundation for us to look upon as the model, as well a way to truly know Jesus.
I think that discussions like this one always fair better when everyone involved speaks only about what and why they believe what they believe. Leave conjecture about what and why others believe what they believe out of it.
 
  1. His personal Crest was the same as the Rosicrucianers who used it on the third cover of their periodical (source is Riplinger’s second book).
Hey, I say symbols of the Catholic Church on Dan Brown’s latest cover. And your statement proves as much as mine.
  1. He was an extreme Antisemitic which, at the very least is a sign of demonic oppression and/or possession (Rev 12).
First please define and support “extreme Antisemetic” then provide quotes from Luther that back this up and then be ready for quotes from Popes through the centuries. You see even if he was antisemetic a personal attack against Luther proves nothing more than the myriad personal attacks which can be lodged against any Pope. If you wish to discredit Luther’s theology it must be done on the basis of the theology just as anyone who wishes to discredit the Catholic Church’s theology must do so on the basis of the Catholic Church’s theology and not by attacking individual Popes.
  1. He widdled the Bible down from 72 Inspired Books to 66 Books which is a Masonic Number.
Please provide one Bible translated by Luther which does not include all the same books as the Catholic Bible.
  1. He nailed his thesis to the door of the Church on Halloween - the Highest Occult Day of the Year.
First of all, Halloween was not yet celebrated at the time when Luther posted his thesis. Secondly, Halloween actually began as a Christian holiday when the Christian Children would mock the pagan religions. Thirdly, the nailing of the thesis was the accepted means of asking for a debate in those days.
Martin Luther was an Occultist Mason…
You are a conspiracy theorist nut job.
 
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