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HelenRose
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I think that we are saying the same thing. I am trying to find terminolgy so we can know that agree with one another.
I think that wearing hats in church by women come more under the idea of local traditions and customs. These traditions do not contravene what the Church directs but are followed with piety and love.
This is what makes it so difficult to come to an understanding we can agree that it is perfectly fine and even wonderful that women weat hats or wear the beautiful head coverings.
I like the word contravene.
Let’s change the term “man made traditions” to “traditions that contravene Church teaching”
So here is a new list of terms.
Sacred Traditions - easily understood. (e.i. the Bible, The Assumption of Mary etc)
traditions of the Church - traditions that the Church has determed are valid and can be believed with confidence but are not necessary for salvation. (the Rosary)
local traditions or customs - these would be beliefs and practices that are not contrary to Church teaching but reflect practices that are held and loved by various cultures. They are traditions or practices you would not find through out the entire world. (with love and piety the wearing of a head covering)
“traditions that contravene Church teaching” - traditions that the Church teaches are erroneous and can not be believed or practiced. (the most grievious of these would be abortion)
It is with the “traditions of the Church” that I have the most sympathy with the prevailing understanding of “Traditionlists”
Even though I am not a “Traditionlist” I am by nature a person who loves tradition (I love genealogy for instance). Although I personally prefer the N.O. Mass, when the Moto Propio was announced, I immediately ordered the 1962 Missal. The moment I held it my hands, I understood the love that the “Traditionlist” would feel for it.
The Rosary: I can concede that a another Catholic does not have to say the Rosary but if someone came along an told me that I could not say the Rosary - you would have a fight on your hands. In a sense I think that this is what happened following Vatican II with the Tridentine Mass.
It is my heart felt desire that we can come to understand each other and come to terms with this on going struggle.
I think that wearing hats in church by women come more under the idea of local traditions and customs. These traditions do not contravene what the Church directs but are followed with piety and love.
This is what makes it so difficult to come to an understanding we can agree that it is perfectly fine and even wonderful that women weat hats or wear the beautiful head coverings.
I like the word contravene.
Let’s change the term “man made traditions” to “traditions that contravene Church teaching”
So here is a new list of terms.
Sacred Traditions - easily understood. (e.i. the Bible, The Assumption of Mary etc)
traditions of the Church - traditions that the Church has determed are valid and can be believed with confidence but are not necessary for salvation. (the Rosary)
local traditions or customs - these would be beliefs and practices that are not contrary to Church teaching but reflect practices that are held and loved by various cultures. They are traditions or practices you would not find through out the entire world. (with love and piety the wearing of a head covering)
“traditions that contravene Church teaching” - traditions that the Church teaches are erroneous and can not be believed or practiced. (the most grievious of these would be abortion)
It is with the “traditions of the Church” that I have the most sympathy with the prevailing understanding of “Traditionlists”
Even though I am not a “Traditionlist” I am by nature a person who loves tradition (I love genealogy for instance). Although I personally prefer the N.O. Mass, when the Moto Propio was announced, I immediately ordered the 1962 Missal. The moment I held it my hands, I understood the love that the “Traditionlist” would feel for it.
The Rosary: I can concede that a another Catholic does not have to say the Rosary but if someone came along an told me that I could not say the Rosary - you would have a fight on your hands. In a sense I think that this is what happened following Vatican II with the Tridentine Mass.
It is my heart felt desire that we can come to understand each other and come to terms with this on going struggle.
