Traditional Anglican Communion

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What news?

One article I read this year said that there might be an announcement shortly after Easter. I haven’t seen anything.

Has anyone heard anything more about the Traditional Anglican Communion and it’s bid to associate with the Papacy?
 
I have a number of Anglican priest friends within the TAC, and a few former TAC priests who have swum the Tiber, or are on the way. Most have heard these rumors again and again for the past ten or so years, and don’t give any real credence to the rumors. Many of the clergy oppose full union, or submission to the Pope, but would simply want an open communion with the Catholic Church like they have with other Protestant Churches. Something that cannot occur. While there are a very few, (in my circle) who seem to authentically desire union, I think most who really desire union have seen come to the conclusion that union cannot wait for some long promised union that seems to be stalled, and have already been received into the Church.
 
There is already a procedure to enter the Church with an Anglican Use liturgy under the Pastoral Provision. I understand it is more difficult in England for parishes and their priests to enter into this Pastoral Provision, but I think it could be done.

I also am under the impression that most of TAC want to really be separate from the Catholic Church, but be in communion with it somehow. I think it really boils down to the authority issue. As a former Episcopalian I know that it is a great stumbling block, as they have done their own thing all these years and really don’t like the idea of someone telling them what to do.

Also TAC is a combination of low church members, broad church members, high church members and Anglo Catholics. Except for the Anglo Catholics and some of the high church members I think they also have a problem with the infallibilty of the Pope, the BVM doctrines, confession and at this time from what I have been informed they allow open communion to any Christian.

From what I gather they went to Rome with demands, whereas when the priests asking for a Pastoral Provision went they didn’t ask or demand they submitted to the Church and they were received with respect. This happened 28 years ago and I believe it took less than 3 years to become a reality. Of course many Bishops have not been open to it, but I think the more parishes and priests that ask to be part of the existing provision have a good chance of being accepted. The AU is growning slowly but all things in God’s time.

Yours in the Hears of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
last I read (advent 2008) was that they were still requesting as a synod to come in as a Church Sui Iuris, and that they were willing to be reordained, and that discussions were ongoing.

No western church sui iuris has existed autonomously since, effectively, the reunion of Florence.
 
I remember this article! It is the one that gave me the idea that there might be an announcement by now 😊
An announcement could be made soon after Easter this year. It is understood that Pope Benedict XVI, who has taken a personal interest in the matter, has linked the issue to the year of St Paul, the greatest missionary in the history of the Church.
I guess the emphasis is on the word could! 🤷
 
There is already a procedure to enter the Church with an Anglican Use liturgy under the Pastoral Provision. I understand it is more difficult in England for parishes and their priests to enter into this Pastoral Provision, but I think it could be done.
The pastoral provision exists only in the United States and nowhere else.
Also TAC is a combination of low church members, broad church members, high church members and Anglo Catholics. Except for the Anglo Catholics and some of the high church members I think they also have a problem with the infallibilty of the Pope, the BVM doctrines, confession and at this time from what I have been informed they allow open communion to any Christian.
Theoretically true, but in fact, most TAC members are very Anglo-Catholic, which is why they formed as they did, and most are probably more Catholic than most Roman Catholics today. Most evangelicals in Continuing Church bodies are not in the TAC.
From what I gather they went to Rome with demands, whereas when the priests asking for a Pastoral Provision went they didn’t ask or demand they submitted to the Church and they were received with respect. This happened 28 years ago and I believe it took less than 3 years to become a reality. Of course many Bishops have not been open to it, but I think the more parishes and priests that ask to be part of the existing provision have a good chance of being accepted. The AU is growning slowly but all things in God’s time.
Not sure where you heard that they went with demands, but there honestly has been little or no growth in the AU provision, as it was intended to address the specific need of specific groups, and not really to be something that was intended to be offered to all and grow, in the sense that the EF is. Ten years ago AU was offered at ten locations; now it is seven.
pastoralprovision.org/Parishes.html
 
Well, anytime there is reconciliation between two Christian groups, it’s better for all of us.
 
The pastoral provision exists only in the United States and nowhere else.

Theoretically true, but in fact, most TAC members are very Anglo-Catholic, which is why they formed as they did, and most are probably more Catholic than most Roman Catholics today. Most evangelicals in Continuing Church bodies are not in the TAC.

Not sure where you heard that they went with demands, but there honestly has been little or no growth in the AU provision, as it was intended to address the specific need of specific groups, and not really to be something that was intended to be offered to all and grow, in the sense that the EF is. Ten years ago AU was offered at ten locations; now it is seven.
pastoralprovision.org/Parishes.html
I was an Anglo Catholic before becoming a Catholic and many of the people in the parish were not true to all things Catholic, they liked the church itself as it was beautiful, they liked the liturgy, but those were what was important to them. I can’t speak for all Anglo Catholics, but can only go by my experience.

There is also a new parish in Arizona called St. Pauls. Yes it has been a slow growth, but that is due to many of our Bishops who don’t want the AU parishes. As we know for some reason some Bishops and some priests don’t like the TLM either and it has not been easy for those parishes that want the Traditional Mass to have it.

If you want accurate information on the Pastoral Provision, it is best to inquire from the priests that are in it or go to the Bishop who is in charge of the Pastoral Provision.

Not all TAC members are Anglo Catholic, as a former Anglo Catholic there were few parishes that considered themselves Anglo Catholic. I had to travel many miles to attend one.

I am very aware that outside of the US the Pastrol Provision doesn’t exist. There are problems in England that we didn’t have here. But if it is in God’s plan for this to be an entity in the Church it will be. To be honest I know very few Epsicopalians or Catholics that have ever heard of the Pastoral Provision. Also some Catholics aren’t aware of the Traditional Mass.

All good things take time and I know that some Bishops who have allowed for AU parishes, who I am sure had doubts about it, have become much more open.

I don’t know why there appears to be so much adverse reaction to newer liturgies and older ones coming into the Church. My priest had never heard of the Pastoral Provision before he and I a long conversation.

I was not brought up in an Anglo Catholic parish, but in a very low church setting and when you say that Anglo Catholics are more Catholic than Catholics I don’t find this to be accurate. Yes the appearances of the liturgy and the building look more Catholic than than modern day Catholic Churches and the liturgies, but it is what is internal in a person’s heart that is truely and completely Catholic not the externals. I don’t know your background, were you an Anglo Catholic at one time? When our parish went to Rome to ask for the Pastoral Provision, (our parish was known as the most “Catholic” of most in our area) there were many who did not want to become Catholics under the Pope. They just wanted to stay where they were and wanted no changes. They are still there as the ones who wanted to become Catholic left and were rejectedto have an AU parish by a very liberal Cardinal so I have been through the whole gambit. Our rejection did not weaken my faith in the Catholic Church. Who knows what will happen with TAC, I hope that Rome will find a way to bring the people who want to accept the doctrines of the Church into the Church, but we must realize that we don’t know what is going on behind the scenes.

The Eastern Rite Catholics have had their struggles too and they were Catholic to begin with. I also know Catholics who have never heard of Eastern Rite Catholics. I think we all live in our own little world and many of us don’t know what goes on outside of it.

For me I feel that I am home whether it is an AU parish or not. Of course I pray for the day when there will be an AU parish close to me, if it doesn’t happen I still feel that the Lord has me where He wants me and I am very happy to be in Christ’s Church.

God Bless you.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
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