Traditional Breviary

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Wow! I was just looking at this last night and it wasn’t updated. What providence that you’re showing it literally only a few hours later. I had lost hope that I’d have to wait forever to say it… 😉

Once I’m baptised I swear I’ll get this and say the traditional Breviary. What a treasure!
 
GloriousOrder said:
Wow! I was just looking at this last night and it wasn’t updated. What providence that you’re showing it literally only a few hours later. I had lost hope that I’d have to wait forever to say it… 😉

Once I’m baptised I swear I’ll get this and say the traditional Breviary. What a treasure!
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Glad you liked the link. Admission: I am on the Baronious Press E-mail list:D

I myself pray the current Divine Office, and will probably NOT switch over to the older breviary. I had a hard enough time learning the current LOTH, and I am not sure I want to face the hurdles. :o
 
Warrenton said:
Me, too! I have prayed the traditional Little Office since 2006. The old offices are very comforting!
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I assume you mean the Little Office of Mary? I have that, and I have been wondering if any other of the traditional Little Offices are in print somewhere:)
 
We have to be very careful with the term “traditional”. This is the older version of the Roman Breviary.

I grew up with Franciscans since I was six. To me, traditional is the Seraphic Breviary. I never knew that there was a Roman Breviary until I went to the seminary. Other people grew up in the Benedictine tradition, Dominican tradition, Carmelite tradition or the Augustinian tradition.

The Roman Breviary is the custom for those who grew up with either diocesan priests or clerks regular. To people who grew up with the mendicants or the monks, this is not the traditional breviary.

This is really the traditional Roman Breviary. By the way, it’s expensive as heck. :eek:

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Yeah, It can be expensive to be a traditional Catholic. He He !!. Hopefully some company will come out with ones that most Catholics can afford. Glad they are out though!.
 
bkovacs said:
Yeah, It can be expensive to be a traditional Catholic. He He !!. Hopefully some company will come out with ones that most Catholics can afford. Glad they are out though!.
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Have you checked the prices on the religious breviaries to see if they’re any better?

I would have no idea, but it may be worth a try. We use the Seraphic (Franciscan) Breviary and it was aboiut $275 when it first came out. I don’t know what it is today. It’s not the kind of thing that you replace every year. With the price of oil climbing, I’m sure that everything else goes up proportionately. But if you don’t mind using a religious breviary, it may be worth a try.

If you prefer to chant, you don’t want the Seraphic (Franciscan) breviary, because it has no notations in it. The Carthusian, Benedictine and Dominican breviaries do. They chant. I don’t know about the Carmelites. The last I heard they were undecided as to whether to request permission to recover the Carmelite Rite or not. ByzCath would know. He’s a Carmelite Friar and another poster by the name of O’Carm.

If people don’t like the current breviary or Christian Prayer, there are these other options worth exploring, especially if money is tight.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Given the fact the the Nova et Vetera Latin only version is around $300, the Baronius $350 is resonable price.
 
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BVM_1221 said:
I assume you mean the Little Office of Mary? I have that, and I have been wondering if any other of the traditional Little Offices are in print somewhere:)
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That’s correct: Little Office of the Blessed Virgin. I have the red bound edition, which bears a print date of 1914. Latin is on the left, English is on the right hand page. Lovely translations.

My reprint was inexpensive, but I have seen other editions for sale on the web and in Catholic bookstores.🙂
 
JReducation said:
I don’t know about the Carmelites. The last I heard they were undecided as to whether to request permission to recover the Carmelite Rite or not. ByzCath would know. He’s a Carmelite Friar and another poster by the name of O’Carm.
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Currently we have one group of hermits that are “experimenting” with parts of the Carmelite Liturgy.

We us the current LOTH with our own companion book for our Saints/Blesseds.

I just want to pick at a nit here. I am sad to see how the use of the term “Traditional” is so distorted. Its usage here implies that the current Breviary is non-Traditional which is not the Truth. The term “Traditional” in usage here really means old. Just becuase something is new does not mean that it is not Traditional at least not the way the Church uses the term Traditional.
 
“Traditional” in general, now refers to anything developed before the Second Vatican Council. I personally wouldn’t consider anything modern to be traditional. How can something that is only 40 years old be traditional. The Rosary is traditional, the TLM is traditional, Divine Liturgies traditional. The Mass of Paul VI, Charismatic Mass, altar girls, EMHC, not traditional. A living tradition is taking those traditions and organically developing them throughout time. Not radically creating something new, or adding things for the sake of being in tune with the norms of the secular world. This is how I and others view “traditional”.
 
bkovacs said:
“Traditional” in general, now refers to anything developed before the Second Vatican Council. I personally wouldn’t consider anything modern to be traditional. How can something that is only 40 years old be traditional. The Rosary is traditional, the TLM is traditional, Divine Liturgies traditional. The Mass of Paul VI, Charismatic Mass, altar girls, EMHC, not traditional. A living tradition is taking those traditions and organically developing them throughout time. Not radically creating something new, or adding things for the sake of being in tune with the norms of the secular world. This is how I and others view “traditional”.
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Again, you are using Traditional to mean Old.

And I will leave it at that.
 
From Wikipedia

"A tradition is a ritual, belief or object passed down within a society, still maintained in the present, with origins in the past.[1][2] Common examples include holidays or impractical but socially meaningful clothes (like lawyer wigs or military officer spurs), but the idea has also been applied to social norms such as greetings. Traditions can persist and evolve for thousands of years—the word “tradition” itself derives from the Latin tradere or traderer literally meaning to transmit, to hand over, to give for safekeeping—and new traditions continue to appear today. While it is commonly assumed that traditions have ancient history, many traditions have been invented on purpose, whether that be political or cultural, over short periods of time. Certain scholarly fields, such as anthropology and biology, have adapted the term “tradition,” defining it more carefully than its conventional use in order to facilitate scholarly discourse.

The concept of tradition, as the notion of holding on to a previous time, is also found in political and philosophical discourse. For example, the political concept of traditionalism is based around it, as are strands of many world religions including traditional Catholicism. In artistic contexts, tradition is used to decide the correct display of an art form. For example, in the performance of traditional genres (such as traditional dance), adherence to guidelines dictating how an art form should be composed are given greater importance than the performer’s own preferences. A number of factors can exacerbate the loss of tradition, including industrialization, globalization, and the assimilation or marginalization of specific cultural groups. In response to this, tradition-preservation attempts have now been started in many countries around the world, focusing on aspects such as traditional languages. Tradition is usually contrasted with the goal of modernity and should be differentiated from customs, conventions, laws, norms, routines, rules and similar concepts."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition
 
bkovacs said:
From Wikipedia

"A tradition is a ritual, belief or object passed down within a society, still maintained in the present, with origins in the past.[1][2] Common examples include holidays or impractical but socially meaningful clothes (like lawyer wigs or military officer spurs), but the idea has also been applied to social norms such as greetings. Traditions can persist and evolve for thousands of years—the word “tradition” itself derives from the Latin tradere or traderer literally meaning to transmit, to hand over, to give for safekeeping—and new traditions continue to appear today. While it is commonly assumed that traditions have ancient history, many traditions have been invented on purpose, whether that be political or cultural, over short periods of time. Certain scholarly fields, such as anthropology and biology, have adapted the term “tradition,” defining it more carefully than its conventional use in order to facilitate scholarly discourse.

The concept of tradition, as the notion of holding on to a previous time, is also found in political and philosophical discourse. For example, the political concept of traditionalism is based around it, as are strands of many world religions including traditional Catholicism. In artistic contexts, tradition is used to decide the correct display of an art form. For example, in the performance of traditional genres (such as traditional dance), adherence to guidelines dictating how an art form should be composed are given greater importance than the performer’s own preferences. A number of factors can exacerbate the loss of tradition, including industrialization, globalization, and the assimilation or marginalization of specific cultural groups. In response to this, tradition-preservation attempts have now been started in many countries around the world, focusing on aspects such as traditional languages. Tradition is usually contrasted with the goal of modernity and should be differentiated from customs, conventions, laws, norms, routines, rules and similar concepts."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition
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Yeah, wikipedia is a very “scholarly” source and will give the definition of how the Church uses the term Tradition.

I know this is hard for some people to understand but differnet fields sometimes have different definitions of terms that are used and you can not use a standard dictonary to find those definitions.
 
I just bought a two vol set called Lauds, Vespers and Compline from Lulu.com. They are taken from the traditional Roman Breviary and the two ran me about $60 which included shipping. I also have the Monastic Diurnal and now use the two together for the various hours. Maybe what I am doing might be a more affordable alternative to the Baronius Breviary. If anyone finds out more about the Seraphic Breviary I would be interested, being a third order member.
 
CatholicFireman said:
I couldn’t find the Seraphic Breviary for sale online. I use (or try to use) the Benedictine Monastic Diurnal which runs about $65.00 ( farnboroughabbey.org/press/dirunal.php oblatesosbbelmont.org/2008/12/23/alternative-brevaries1/). I was fortunate enough to have an anonymous saint actually give it to me.
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Look at Franciscan Resources under Roman-Franciscan Breviary

I believe that’s how it’s marketed. I just looked at my copy and it just says “Roman-Franciscan”. It doesn’t say breviary. But I believe that they do so in the links.

If you’re looking for the Latin edition, you won’t find it. The Franciscan Liturgical Commission wanted to translate the Brevarium Seraphicum so that it could be used by the Secular Franciscans, the Franciscan Sisters, and the Franciscan Confraternities. They stopped printing it in Latin. It’s the same breviary but in many languages.
ByzCath said:
Currently we have one group of hermits that are “experimenting” with parts of the Carmelite Liturgy.

We us the current LOTH with our own companion book for our Saints/Blesseds.

I just want to pick at a nit here. I am sad to see how the use of the term “Traditional” is so distorted. Its usage here implies that the current Breviary is non-Traditional which is not the Truth. The term “Traditional” in usage here really means old. Just becuase something is new does not mean that it is not Traditional at least not the way the Church uses the term Traditional.
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I feel that the problem is two-fold.

First: if one looks at the current four-volume LOTH, it is based on the traditional Roman Breviary. The organization was simplified. There was a reason for this. Very few people who use the Roman Breviary use are bound to pray the entire Divine Office. The Roman Breviary is more common among secular clergy and congregations. Most congregations do not pray all of the hours. They are more apostolic. Their day is very busy. The same is true for the average secular deacon, priest and bishop. The idea was to make it user friendly, while keeping the tradition of the hours.

Second, the use of the term “traditional” is being limited to the older edition of the Roman Breviary. It is true that this was the traditional breviary for the majority of the clergy and apostolic congregations. However, it is not true that this breviary is the official Catholic breviary. It’s one of many. In fact, the Office of the Paters is much older and much simpler. Remember the office with the 150 Our Fathers divided up for the different hours of the day? That dates back to the Middle Ages. I think you guys started it. My point is that to those of us who do not use the Roman Breviary, it’s not the traditional breviary. I would have to learn how to use it. I don’t believe that I have ever seen one close up. Then there are the rubrics, which are different from one breviary to another.

I remember praying Vespers with your guys at White Friars Hall and being totallly lost. I felt like a little kid who is almost running to stay in step with his mom. You guys sing, sit, stand, bow and have silences in places that we don’t. But, that’s your tradition.

Tradition is very broad.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
bjcsfo said:
I just bought a two vol set called Lauds, Vespers and Compline from Lulu.com. They are taken from the traditional Roman Breviary and the two ran me about $60 which included shipping. I also have the Monastic Diurnal and now use the two together for the various hours. Maybe what I am doing might be a more affordable alternative to the Baronius Breviary. If anyone finds out more about the Seraphic Breviary I would be interested, being a third order member.
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You can also get the Matins that goes with th Monastic Diurnal. 🙂

andrewespress.com/matins.html
 
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