Traditional Breviary

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bjcsfo said:
I just bought a two vol set called Lauds, Vespers and Compline from Lulu.com. They are taken from the traditional Roman Breviary and the two ran me about $60 which included shipping. I also have the Monastic Diurnal and now use the two together for the various hours. Maybe what I am doing might be a more affordable alternative to the Baronius Breviary. If anyone finds out more about the Seraphic Breviary I would be interested, being a third order member.
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I just looked for you. Franciscan Resources carried it, but they don’t have it in stock. You may be able to call them. They charge $230.00

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
JReducation said:
Look at Franciscan Resources under Roman-Franciscan Breviary

I believe that’s how it’s marketed. I just looked at my copy and it just says “Roman-Franciscan”. It doesn’t say breviary. But I believe that they do so in the links.

If you’re looking for the Latin edition, you won’t find it. The Franciscan Liturgical Commission wanted to translate the Brevarium Seraphicum so that it could be used by the Secular Franciscans, the Franciscan Sisters, and the Franciscan Confraternities. They stopped printing it in Latin. It’s the same breviary but in many languages.

I feel that the problem is two-fold.

First: if one looks at the current four-volume LOTH, it is based on the traditional Roman Breviary. The organization was simplified. There was a reason for this. Very few people who use the Roman Breviary use are bound to pray the entire Divine Office. The Roman Breviary is more common among secular clergy and congregations. Most congregations do not pray all of the hours. They are more apostolic. Their day is very busy. The same is true for the average secular deacon, priest and bishop. The idea was to make it user friendly, while keeping the tradition of the hours.

Second, the use of the term “traditional” is being limited to the older edition of the Roman Breviary. It is true that this was the traditional breviary for the majority of the clergy and apostolic congregations. However, it is not true that this breviary is the official Catholic breviary. It’s one of many. In fact, the Office of the Paters is much older and much simpler. Remember the office with the 150 Our Fathers divided up for the different hours of the day? That dates back to the Middle Ages. I think you guys started it. My point is that to those of us who do not use the Roman Breviary, it’s not the traditional breviary. I would have to learn how to use it. I don’t believe that I have ever seen one close up. Then there are the rubrics, which are different from one breviary to another.

I remember praying Vespers with your guys at White Friars Hall and being totallly lost. I felt like a little kid who is almost running to stay in step with his mom. You guys sing, sit, stand, bow and have silences in places that we don’t. But, that’s your tradition.

Tradition is very broad.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Brother please corrrect me if I’m wrong, I went to Franciscan Resouces and what they have is the modern LOTH with a Franciscan supplement for the various feast days of our saints and blesseds. Is this what you are using or are you using a 1962 edition of the Breviary. I’m a little confused. I understand that the franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate in England are using an older form of the Breviary that is franciscan in nature and would like to know more about it. Pax
 
Look at Franciscan Resources under Roman-Franciscan Breviary
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I believe that’s how it’s marketed. I just looked at my copy and it just says “Roman-Franciscan”. It doesn’t say breviary. But I believe that they do so in the links.
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If you’re looking for the Latin edition, you won’t find it. The Franciscan Liturgical Commission wanted to translate the Brevarium Seraphicum so that it could be used by the Secular Franciscans, the Franciscan Sisters, and the Franciscan Confraternities. They stopped printing it in Latin. It’s the same breviary but in many languages.
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Thank you Brother.
 
bjcsfo said:
Brother please corrrect me if I’m wrong, I went to Franciscan Resouces and what they have is the modern LOTH with a Franciscan supplement for the various feast days of our saints and blesseds. Is this what you are using or are you using a 1962 edition of the Breviary. I’m a little confused. I understand that the franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate in England are using an older form of the Breviary that is franciscan in nature and would like to know more about it. Pax
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The Franciscan Sisters in England are using the same breviary that we’re using in the USA. That was the first translation that came out in the late 60s or early 70s. I can’t recall.

In the USA we’re using the second translation that was put out by the people who put out Christian Prayer.

The difference between the two editions are minor.
  1. Christian Prayer uses the New American Bible and the first translation uses the RSV
  2. Christian Prayer includes the holy days for the USA, the British edition does not do so
  3. Christian Prayer has a hymnal of sorts, the old translation does not
The psalms, readings, collects (psalm-prayers in the USA), calendar, and rubrics are the same in both editions. Remember, I’m talking about the Franciscan edition of Christian prayer, not the Roman edition of Christian Prayer. That one has differences from our own, but those differences only apply on days when we celebrate feasts that the Roman Church does not or when the degrees are different. For example, we have feasts that are memorials in the Roman Church, such as our Holy Father St. Dominic. We have solemnities that are memorials in the Roman Church such as Solemnity of St. Francis.

In this edition of the breviary the Roman calendar, the calendar of the USCCB and the Franciscan calendar are integrated. The English one does not work for us, because the national liturgical calendars are not the same. There are holy days in England that we do not observe and the other way around.

I went to Francisan Resources and found the Franciscan breviary. I quoted them here. But they say that they don’t have any in stock.

**Christian Prayer-Roman Fraciscan Edition- Four Volume Set

Roman Franciscan Edition. The official four volume set of the Liturgy of the Hours. The appropriate Franciscan Proper offices are included with each volume **

You can contact the Franciscan Liturgical Commission. They can tell you where to find any of the Franciscan editions. There is one for each language group and there are several English and Spanish translations for the different regions. The English and Spanish speaking regions cover many countries, you have to include the national liturgical calendars. This was a mandate from the five General Ministers, including the SFO General Minister. They want us to celebrate the local holy days unless they conflict with the Franciscan holy days. If you’re in Mexico, December 12 is a solemnity and their breviary reflects it. In our breviary, it’s a memorial.

I wish I could be more helpful.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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