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henrikhank
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Pax et bonum!
Where can I find traditional Capuchin Friars?
Where can I find traditional Capuchin Friars?
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HonoraDominum
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Not sure, but I know they’re out there because we had one do a Sung Mass at my FSSP parish a few weeks ago. I think he was from PA?
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JReducation
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No. Capuchins are very traditional, but not the way that the average layman thinks. They are very traditional in how they follow St. Francis. Like most Franciscans, they look to our Holy Father Francis for their cue on how to live daily life and how to serve the Church.
There are many ordained Capuchin Friars who celebrate the EF, but with the permission of the Guardian of the house. The Guardian has the authority to prohibit it. The EF and UE guaranteed that a priest who is both, priest + religious, must follow the laws of his religious community and the rulings of his major superior on this issue. They may not celebrate the EF for the laity unless they have permission. They can celebrate it alone, provided they have permisson to celebrate private masses. Francis of Assisi prohibits private masses with some exceptions.
You have to remember, the Capuchins are Franciscans. There are many things that Traditionalists like that Francis did not like and that he prohibtted. The friars are bound to return to the roots. The Church has commanded them to go back to the 13th century and do whatever Francis said and not do what Francis did not allow or at least ask in advance.
There is a group of former friars who were Capuchins. They broke off because they hold the same views as Archbishop Lefebvre. The General Minister of the order had them excommunicated and dismissed from the order. They claim that they are Capuchin. The rest of the Franciscan family does not acknowledge their claim until they submit to their superior general, which means submit to the Vatican. However, they are a handful.
What they did was rather interesting, because they did not go all the way back to the 13th century. They only went back to the 19th century. This put a smile on many Franciscan faces, because one of the things they kept was clericalism, which is contrary to Capuchin tradition. Clericalism and distinctions and tiers of friars was an invention of the 18th century. They kept other things that were inserted into the constitutions in the 19th century.
They wanted the traditional rites and rituals, but not the traditional Franciscan life. Everyone had a problem with this.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
There are many ordained Capuchin Friars who celebrate the EF, but with the permission of the Guardian of the house. The Guardian has the authority to prohibit it. The EF and UE guaranteed that a priest who is both, priest + religious, must follow the laws of his religious community and the rulings of his major superior on this issue. They may not celebrate the EF for the laity unless they have permission. They can celebrate it alone, provided they have permisson to celebrate private masses. Francis of Assisi prohibits private masses with some exceptions.
You have to remember, the Capuchins are Franciscans. There are many things that Traditionalists like that Francis did not like and that he prohibtted. The friars are bound to return to the roots. The Church has commanded them to go back to the 13th century and do whatever Francis said and not do what Francis did not allow or at least ask in advance.
There is a group of former friars who were Capuchins. They broke off because they hold the same views as Archbishop Lefebvre. The General Minister of the order had them excommunicated and dismissed from the order. They claim that they are Capuchin. The rest of the Franciscan family does not acknowledge their claim until they submit to their superior general, which means submit to the Vatican. However, they are a handful.
What they did was rather interesting, because they did not go all the way back to the 13th century. They only went back to the 19th century. This put a smile on many Franciscan faces, because one of the things they kept was clericalism, which is contrary to Capuchin tradition. Clericalism and distinctions and tiers of friars was an invention of the 18th century. They kept other things that were inserted into the constitutions in the 19th century.
They wanted the traditional rites and rituals, but not the traditional Franciscan life. Everyone had a problem with this.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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