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I hope that all of you are well. This is my first post in the Catholic Answers Forum in a long time. My question: Is there any interest in a Traditional Catholic College? By Traditional Catholic College I mean a College that uses the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass exclusively or primarily. Saint Thomas Aquinas College uses the Extraordinary Form and also does Christendom College, but not primarily or exclusively. In my opinion there is a real need for a Traditional Catholic College, especially for all of the children primarily raised with the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass. Please feel free to add your opinion.

Tuus in Iesu, Maria, et Ioseph:
Sean James Job
 
I have a friend who goes to Ave Maria University in Florida.

While it does not celebrate the TLM exclusively it does so fairly regularly and the students I am told would like it celebrated more than it is even now.

I am told the mentality of the great majority of students leans traditional as well.
 
Ad Omnes:

I hope that all of you are well. This is my first post in the Catholic Answers Forum in a long time. My question: Is there any interest in a Traditional Catholic College? By Traditional Catholic College I mean a College that uses the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass exclusively or primarily. Saint Thomas Aquinas College uses the Extraordinary Form and also does Christendom College, but not primarily or exclusively. In my opinion there is a real need for a Traditional Catholic College, especially for all of the children primarily raised with the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass. Please feel free to add your opinion.

Tuus in Iesu, Maria, et Ioseph:
Sean James Job
The only college that I know of that exclusively offers the traditional Mass is St. Mary’s College in St. Mary’s, Kansas ( www.smac.edu ). It’s run by the SSPX and when I applied there I had to send back a signed form agreeing to certain rules, some of which I found a bit extreme. But other than that I don’t know too much about it.
 
I would not consider any college which effectively outlawed a legitimate form of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass to be Catholic.

JSA
 
My husband and two of his siblings attended SMAC and still speaks fondly of it. In fact we still have the introduction video tape given to prospective applicants, and his best friendships (besides ours) came from there. We still attend Mass there occasionally. It is a beautiful little place, about 45 min from where we live.
 
Is there any interest in a Traditional Catholic College?
I hope so!
By Traditional Catholic College I mean a College that uses the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass exclusively or primarily.
Oh…in that case…I hope not! I would hate to see division in our Church increased by Catholic colleges restricting themselves to only one form of acceptable liturgy (or preferring an exception to the ordinary).

Another college that regularly offers Mass in the EF is the University of Notre Dame.
 
My brother, his wife, and several of her siblings attended Christendom College, and it was there that my brother became very serious about the Tridentine Mass, which then passed on to me. The area around Christendom is absolutely beautiful (I visited him on many occasions) and I am very fond of Front Royal.

Now, my brother and his family live in St. Mary, Kansas. The Tridentine Mass is offered at St. Mary’s College, but as was noted above, it is SSPX. Instead, my brother and his family drive to a beautiful little church about 25 minutes from downtown St. Mary’s that is run by the FSSP. The town is very small and there isn’t much close by, but it’s not a bad place.

I would vote for Christendom College if you were looking for a traditional Catholic school, and I’ve never met anyone who regretted going there.
 
I am a physics major at Benedictine College in Kansas. There is a significant interest in the Tridentine Mass here; over 150 signed a petition asking for one. (Upon presenting it to the campus chaplain and to his Abbot, we were informed that none of the priests in the Abbey knew how to celebrate the Mass. We then asked if a priest could be brought in from out-of-town, and were told that there was not enough interest in the Mass for this. We gave a copy of the petition to the college President, without success; we tried handing a copy to our Bishop, Joseph Naumann, who refused to touch the document, and we mailed it to the Papal Commission Ecclesia Dei over a year ago, and the letter was apparently discarded by a secretary.)

I would be greatly interested in a real Catholic college - if it had a science program. I need a place to go to graduate school, and I will probably go to a secular college (where they are at least honest about the poison they feed us) unless any one of you know of a solid Catholic college that has a graduate program in physics.
 
Ad Omnes:

I would like to clear up some confusion that has come from my original posting. “By Traditional Catholic College I mean a College that uses the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass exclusively or primarily.” This statement was in my original posting and it does not mean that the Ordinary Form of Holy Mass would be completely eliminated from the college life. The statement was merely an exploratory comment of trying to seek out what we mean by a “Traditional” Catholic College. There is no mention that the Ordinary Form would be banned from the college. Hopefully, this clears up some confusion.

I would like to take some time to say what the Ordinary Form of Holy Mass should look like at a “Traditional” College. The Ordinary Form would be celebrated according the the most ancient posture of “Ad Orientem,” which dates back to Apostolic Times and was the desire of Pope Benedict XVI before he was elected Pope. Also, the communicants would receive “Holy Communion” at the Communion Rail and on the tongue; for Christ is the Word made Flesh and the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. All of the Ordinary of Holy Mass would be in Latin, while the Proper could be in the vernacular of the people. Since the student body would be “required” to study Latin, as all good scholars should, there would be little pastoral need to even keep the Propers of Holy Mass in the Vernacular; even the Homily could be in Latin. Also, there would be no Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion. Furthermore, the Ordinary Form would have much of the external pomp that the Extraordinary Form has. If all of these various ideas would be kept then the Ordinary Form could flourish on campus alongside the Extraordinary Form. With these regulations maybe the Sacrality of the Extraordinary Form could make a greater influence on the Ordinary Form. This is what Pope Benedict XVI desired in Summorum Pontificum and probably desires himself is it not? This is greater continuity with Tradition is it not?

What else may we mean by a “Traditional” Catholic College. A “Traditional” Catholic College should also be a place where all of the various Rites of the Church are welcomed, fostered, and encouraged. Therefore, the church should be designed with all of the Liturgies in mind, not just the Latin Liturgy. The Catholic Church has a rich tradition, which should be available to all Catholics. How beautiful it would be to see a Sacred Altar used for all the Rites of the Church, not just one! In the Byzantine Rite many of the Altars have our Blessed Lord in a Tabernacle on them; hence, even the Blessed Sacrament could be on the Altar, how incredible!

Finally, a Traditional Catholic College should be a place where the Ancient Liberal Arts are present. Every subject in the Liberal Arts are of equal importance. Saint Albert the Great taught his famous pupil St. Thomas Aquinas the importance of science. A person well versed in poetry should also be well versed in biology as well. If you think this is too ambitious then you should ask God why He Made us in His image and likeness. A well-rounded person is a great asset to humanity and to the Church.

Please, keep adding your ideas to this Thread. Also, please avoid extreme reactions to my posting. Some of what I say is only to evoke thoughts, not to close arguments. Forgive the length of this reply, but I think that much needs to be said on this thread. God bless all of you!

Tuus in Iesu, Maria, et Ioseph;
Sean James Job
 
For you, Cecilianus, there may be a compromise between a secular school and a real Catholic school. That school is my alma mater–St. John’s University in Queens, NY.

In terms of education, St. John’s is very good. Small class sizes (other than university core classes, which are max 60 people, most classes are about 25-30 people), knowledgeable professors, and a good balance of courses to make sure you have a complete education. It is somewhat expensive, but they love giving money away to out of staters (thats why I went there).

In terms of Catholicism, they struggle at times. Some faculty are not Catholic, anti-Catholic, atheists, etc, but for the most part they are good. Sadly, only a few of the priests who lived and celebrated Mass on campus did things properly. They finally built an actual church on campus in 2004, but it is circular and I was not very fond of it. However, there are some decent neighborhood churches in the area that are not bad. For the TLM, I would subway into Manhattan (30 minute trip) and go to a beautiful church near Grand Central Station.

If you have more questions, feel free to p.m. me
 
Just a wakeup call: St. Mary’s College in the town of St. Mary’s KS is not accredited at all. It awaits accreditation by the KS Board of Regents in 2010. It awards a two year associate degree and a degree in Catholic teacher’s education. It has a mandatory fixed curriculum which includes 2 years each of Latin, theology and philosophy; surveys in western civ/ English/ music; math through calculus; history of US thru Civil War (it isn’t clear what’s in the 2 year and what’s in the 4 year teacher curriculum). No languages other than Latin, no biology, chemistry, physics, political science, economics, or pre-anything. It has rather strict dress code with skirts/dresses only for women/ jacket and tie for men, and mandatory daily Mass and rosary.

Total expenses are about $10,000 year, which is cheap, but for that you get a completely unaccredited associate degree, which you may or may not be able to transfer to a major college or university.

Christendom’s tuition is over $16,000. a year, which is not cheap; they did recently did receive a gift of 3.5 million, which they plan to use for, among other things, ‘much needed repairs’, but I suspect that they don’t have much of an endowment for scholarships. US News & World Report, in its huge listing and ratings of institutions of higher learning in the US, doesn’t list either Christendom or St. Mary’s at all, and Princeton Review lists Christendom as ‘unranked’, and doesn’t list St. Mary’s at all.

The point is that a student is investing a lot of time and/or money on an unranked or unaccredited school for a special type of the Mass or a particular type of education, which will exclude many courses and majors which may be essential down the road. Graduates of these colleges don’t want to find that they can’t transfer or apply to another school or grad school because their previous education wasn’t at an accredited school, and that they needs basically to repeat at least two years of undergraduate education just to be eligible to transfer or apply.
 
Ad Omnes:

I hope that all of you are well. This is my first post in the Catholic Answers Forum in a long time. My question: Is there any interest in a Traditional Catholic College? By Traditional Catholic College I mean a College that uses the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass exclusively or primarily. Saint Thomas Aquinas College uses the Extraordinary Form and also does Christendom College, but not primarily or exclusively. In my opinion there is a real need for a Traditional Catholic College, especially for all of the children primarily raised with the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass. Please feel free to add your opinion.

Tuus in Iesu, Maria, et Ioseph:
Sean James Job
I see a much greater need to reach out to those who do not know their faith, and I believe any resources concentrated on a traditional Catholic college would be better spent elsewhere. People need to know that the Faith can make them into who God has called them to be, and thereby lead them to true happiness. I am sorry to say that my experience of the traditional Catholic movement has been something that leads people further from that (they go into their own little clique and have nothing to do with anybody else), rather than something that brings them closer to it. Let the Church evangelize- and be a part of that evangelization. Let the Church proclaim its message to society, and convince people who are trapped in the evils of it that God’s love and mercy- not sex, politics, money, greed, violence, or anything else that this world seems to try to use to fix things- is the answer to the world’s problems. Most traditional Catholics I know don’t really seem to understand that need- sure, they pray- but they show little interest in being the answer to that prayer.

This may seem to be, perhaps, a surprising post coming from me- who was once a very strong advocate for the Traditional Latin Mass and all things Traditional Roman Catholic. Although this isn’t the case everywhere, but the Traditional Latin Mass in my town is mostly attended by crazy people who are horrible examples of Catholics- some among them are the only people I have ever actually named to my non-Catholic family as bad examples of Catholics- and have encouraged them to avoid. After a few months of that, I threw down and jumped away from the traditional movement like I’d just realized I was holding on to a rattlesnake. I hope others will help bring reform in traditional communities so that this experience isn’t repeated. I would like to see that long before I would want to see a traditional Catholic college.
 
I am a physics major at Benedictine College in Kansas. There is a significant interest in the Tridentine Mass here; over 150 signed a petition asking for one. (Upon presenting it to the campus chaplain and to his Abbot, we were informed that none of the priests in the Abbey knew how to celebrate the Mass. We then asked if a priest could be brought in from out-of-town, and were told that there was not enough interest in the Mass for this. We gave a copy of the petition to the college President, without success; we tried handing a copy to our Bishop, Joseph Naumann, who refused to touch the document, and we mailed it to the Papal Commission Ecclesia Dei over a year ago, and the letter was apparently discarded by a secretary.)

I would be greatly interested in a real Catholic college - if it had a science program. I need a place to go to graduate school, and I will probably go to a secular college (where they are at least honest about the poison they feed us) unless any one of you know of a solid Catholic college that has a graduate program in physics.
“A REAL Catholic college?” Be grateful you are at Benedictine! It may not exactly be a haven for Traditional Catholics, but at least it’s orthodox (or the diocese of Lincoln Nebraska wouldn’t send their school sisters to Benedictine to get their teaching certification). You could be some place MUCH worse (Notre Dame, and a few other “Catholic” colleges come to mind).

I know several of the Benedictine faculty and students- as well as the monks. They are rock solid in their faith- most of them are totally orthodox. They try their best to keep the best interests of the student body in mind when making their decisions. I heard about them not allowing the Latin Mass there. To find out for myself what was going on, I asked many faculty and staff- as well as the archbishop himself- about it. The priests there- or at least most of them (as far as I know)- weren’t taught how to celebrate the Latin Mass in the seminary, so they would have to take time to learn it (and then they’d have to train servers, and the whole thing would just be an extra burden they have to carry- and it isn’t worth it to them when it isn’t their personal interest area, they don’t see how it will serve the majority of the student body, and when there are three Traditional Latin Mass communities in communion with the bishop that are less than an hour away that those who want the Latin Mass can go to (one in Kansas City Kansas, the Old Saint Patrick’s Oratory in downtown Kansas City Missouri, and a Latin Mass in Saint Joseph). The Benedictines are not like Christian Brothers, whose vocation is to teach. The Benedictines are a monastic order- and it just so happens that that particular community has an apostolate- they serve the needs of the campus community of Benedictine College- but they are still monks. They still have a responsibility to their primary vocation- the vocation to the monastic life. You’re lucky to be where you are. I’d do anything to have that kind of Catholic culture to immerse myself in. The students from Benedictine sometimes come to Saint Joseph to go shopping or just to get out of Atchison. I recognize the Benedictine students when I see them at Mass, or some other church function in Saint Joseph- they have a passion for the Faith I don’t encounter very often.

There is a Latin Mass in Saint Joseph at 12:30 on Sundays, and though it’s pretty weak now, it could really turn around if the Benedictine students who wanted the Latin Mass would get involved. There are also two Latin Mass communities in Kansas City- one on the Kansas side and one on the Missouri Side. Those all may be a bit of a drive (I don’t think more than an hour though- I think Atchison is 40 minutes from Saint Joseph…I’m not exactly sure- I’ve never gone there directly from here- but it’s totally doable if you want the Latin Mass that badly). Maybe they’d allow a Latin Mass on campus if you got to know one of the priests there and asked him to come do one for you. That way, it would be no inconvenience to them- as long as the Latin Mass priests were willing to work with the monks and the Archbishop- and they didn’t cause division or inconvenience to anyone else. Remember too that your interests aren’t mainstream interests nowadays- even among faithful Catholics- so when you want to pursue your interests, you’ll probably have to work at it harder than the rest.
 
Ad m134e5:

I am glad that you have an interest in this thread. If you are not aware of it most of your posts are filled with anger and bitterness. You must have had a really bad experience with the Traditional Movement, and I cannot say that all of my experiences have been positive either, but I do not allow them to fill me with anger and bitterness. Please try to forgive your neighbor for their wrongs.

Also, when you ask someone to drive over two hours just to go to Holy Mass you are asking alot. Sunday is supposed to be a day of rest not a day of travel. Some good and faithful Catholics receive little spiritual benefit from the Ordinary Form of Holy Mass and it is not their fault. Little reverence is paid to our Blessed Lord in the Tabernacle in most churches, which fills the hearts of truly faithful Catholics with hurt and disillusionment; you must have had these same feeling yourself if you were at all attracted to the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass. I believe you ask too much of the faithful when you ask them to keep faith in the Blessed Sacrament when no one seems to show it and still try to live faithful and upright lives. Know that many Traditional Catholics have much bitternes over the liturgical abuses and the cover-up of those abuses by the clergy, especially those abuses towards the Blessed Sacrament. Please, try to keep these thoughts in mind in your replies and know that I am not attacking you, but only trying to help you heal.

Thank you and God bless you with His peace, love, and grace!

Tuus in Iesu, Maria, et Ioseph;
Sean James Job

P.S. The quote you have from St. Josemaria Escriva is excellent. Know that our reverence for the priesthood is dependant on our reverence for the Blessed Sacrament, not the other way around.
 
“A REAL Catholic college?” Be grateful you are at Benedictine! It may not exactly be a haven for Traditional Catholics, but at least it’s orthodox (or the diocese of Lincoln Nebraska wouldn’t send their school sisters to Benedictine to get their teaching certification). You could be some place MUCH worse (Notre Dame, and a few other “Catholic” colleges come to mind).

I know several of the Benedictine faculty and students- as well as the monks. They are rock solid in their faith- most of them are totally orthodox. They try their best to keep the best interests of the student body in mind when making their decisions. I heard about them not allowing the Latin Mass there. To find out for myself what was going on, I asked many faculty and staff- as well as the archbishop himself- about it. The priests there- or at least most of them (as far as I know)- weren’t taught how to celebrate the Latin Mass in the seminary, so they would have to take time to learn it (and then they’d have to train servers, and the whole thing would just be an extra burden they have to carry- and it isn’t worth it to them when it isn’t their personal interest area, they don’t see how it will serve the majority of the student body, and when there are three Traditional Latin Mass communities in communion with the bishop that are less than an hour away that those who want the Latin Mass can go to (one in Kansas City Kansas, the Old Saint Patrick’s Oratory in downtown Kansas City Missouri, and a Latin Mass in Saint Joseph). The Benedictines are not like Christian Brothers, whose vocation is to teach. The Benedictines are a monastic order- and it just so happens that that particular community has an apostolate- they serve the needs of the campus community of Benedictine College- but they are still monks. They still have a responsibility to their primary vocation- the vocation to the monastic life. You’re lucky to be where you are. I’d do anything to have that kind of Catholic culture to immerse myself in. The students from Benedictine sometimes come to Saint Joseph to go shopping or just to get out of Atchison. I recognize the Benedictine students when I see them at Mass, or some other church function in Saint Joseph- they have a passion for the Faith I don’t encounter very often.

There is a Latin Mass in Saint Joseph at 12:30 on Sundays, and though it’s pretty weak now, it could really turn around if the Benedictine students who wanted the Latin Mass would get involved. There are also two Latin Mass communities in Kansas City- one on the Kansas side and one on the Missouri Side. Those all may be a bit of a drive (I don’t think more than an hour though- I think Atchison is 40 minutes from Saint Joseph…I’m not exactly sure- I’ve never gone there directly from here- but it’s totally doable if you want the Latin Mass that badly). Maybe they’d allow a Latin Mass on campus if you got to know one of the priests there and asked him to come do one for you. That way, it would be no inconvenience to them- as long as the Latin Mass priests were willing to work with the monks and the Archbishop- and they didn’t cause division or inconvenience to anyone else. Remember too that your interests aren’t mainstream interests nowadays- even among faithful Catholics- so when you want to pursue your interests, you’ll probably have to work at it harder than the rest.
Thank you, m134e5. I do attend Fr. Totton’s Tridentine Mass (in St. Joseph Missouri) every week, and have done so ever since one of the monks gave a homily which denied the transcendent character of the Mass (at which point I started having doubts about the validity of the consecration, since he had phrased it that we get away from the Church’s teaching on the matter). I do not think you understand how financially difficult a practice like this is to maintain, however, for a full-time student who can only work in the summer. I also know that many other students who only attend the Tridentine Mass at home lack cars, and/or can’t afford to reimburse me for gasoline every week.

I have asked Fr. Meinrad, whom I am very good friends with, if he could say one, and he - an orthodox and traditional priest if there ever was one - cannot. All the monks are under obedience to the Abbot, who is extremely hostile.

Although the general atmosphere at college is generally hostile to traditional Catholicism - except for a small but staunch minority - I contrasted it with a “real” Catholic college mainly for other reasons. Their refusal to bring in a priest from outside to celebrate the Tridentine Mass for the 150 who asked for it in a petition also seemed proximate to schism, since it is disobedient to the motu proprio which required that all “stable groups” (of about four or more) be granted access to our Mass.
 
OK, here’s the deal:

The *Newman Guide to Choosing a Catholic College: What to Look For and Where to Find It * lists only 21 institutions of higher learning in the US and Canada, 20 in the US, that it finds acceptable.

I looked up these 20 in the** US News & World Report’**s comprehensive review of 1400 institutions of higher learning in the US. The survey ranks according to 15 indicators of academic excellence. Selection criteria and weighting are explained in detail on the website and in print. You can access the 2009 premium online edition until Aug. 19 for about $8.00 and the 2010 ed. online(good for 1 year) for about $15.00. There’s a lot more info in the ‘premium’ ed. For a special price you can purchase the online premium and the book, which is about 2 inches thick.

Parenthetically, there is probably little difference between a #1 and a #10 ranking, or a #10 and a #20. However, there is probably going to be a difference between a #10 and a #40. Students will probably find that personal preference, cost, location and availability of preferred courses and majors are going to be important factors in selecting a school.

The breakdown in classifying institutions into types is:

Liberal Arts Colleges–undergraduates with bachelor’s degree in the liberal arts, large selection of majors.

National Universities–offer full undergraduate majors, and awards bachelor’s, master’s and Ph.D’s.

Universities-Master’s level-- lots of undergraduate majors and backelor’s degrees, some master’s, few doctoral. Borken up into North, South, Midwest and South. Four tiers, the first tier ranked, possibly also the second. Third and fourth tiers not ranked.

Baccalaureate Colleges and Universities--award less than 50% degrees in the liberal arts. Also divided by regions: North, South, Midwest and West.

Unranked schools don’t use SAT or ACT scores; have enrollments of less than 200; don’t have any first year students, or enroll mostly non-traditional students. Unlisted schools may not have responded; the response rate was about 93%.

Of the 20 school listed in Newman’s Guide, the highest ranks are:

Catholic University of America-–National Universities, tier 1, rank # 116 (out of about 125 total). Tied with Loyola-Chicago. (Notre Dame is #18). CUA was the only Newman school ranked in the list of National Universities.

Thomas Aquinas, CA–Liberal Arts Colleges tier 1, rank #60. TA was the only Newman school ranked in the list of Liberal Arts Colleges.

All of the 18 other schools were ranked in the regional Universities-Master’s; Baccalaureate Colleges; unranked or not listed.

In approximate orders of rank:

University of Dallas, TX–University-Master’s-West–tier 1, #13

University St. Thomas, TX–University-Master’s-West–tier 1, #24

Mt. St. Mary’s University, MD–University-Master’s-North–tier 1, #26

**Franciscan University, **OH–University-Master’s-Midwest–tier 1, #28

DeSales University, PA–University-Master’s-North–tier 1, # 52

Benedictine University, KS–University-Master’s-Midwest, tier 1, #67

Belmont Abbey College, NC–Baccalaureate Colleges -South-tier 1, #28

St. Gregory’s University, OK–Baccalaureate Colleges-West–tier 3

Aquinas College, TN–Baccalaureate Colleges–South-- tier 4

The following are** unranked or not listed:**

Many of these are new schools and are not accredited, although many are seeking local accreditation, according to their websites. Many do not offer a standard liberal arts curriculum.

Ave Maria University, FL–not listed, not accredited.

Holy Apostles Seminary & College, CT–unranked. The college is mainly a commuter school; the curriculum appears designed mainly for the seminary.

John Paul the Great, CA–not listed. New, not accredited, offers degrees in business, media, technology.

Southern Catholic College, GA–not listed, not accredited.

Wyoming Catholic College, WY—not listed, not accredited. Limited curriculum, includes the Great Books.

St. Thomas More College, TX–unranked.

Magdalen College, NH–unranked.

Thomas More College, NH–unranked.

Christendom College, VA–unranked.

The schools I previously mentioned are not included in the Newman Guide, but are ranked as follows:

College of St. Catherine (part of University of St. C), MN-- University-Master’s-Midwest, tier 1, #14 (this is just behind Univ of Dallas, TX)

St. John’s University, MN–Liberal Arts Colleges, tier 1, #71

College of St. Benedict, MN–Liberal Arts Colleges, tier 1, #84
 
Ad Omnes:

I hope that all of you are well. This is my first post in the Catholic Answers Forum in a long time. My question: Is there any interest in a Traditional Catholic College? By Traditional Catholic College I mean a College that uses the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass exclusively or primarily. Saint Thomas Aquinas College uses the Extraordinary Form and also does Christendom College, but not primarily or exclusively. In my opinion there is a real need for a Traditional Catholic College, especially for all of the children primarily raised with the Extraordinary Form of Holy Mass. Please feel free to add your opinion.

Tuus in Iesu, Maria, et Ioseph:
Sean James Job
Check out Stubenville in Ohio, and Ave Maria in Florida:thumbsup:
 
Check out Stubenville in Ohio, and Ave Maria in Florida:thumbsup:
There is no TLM in Steubenville, and nor are there known to be any traditional Catholics attending the school, according to a recruiter I met with when I was looking for colleges two years ago.
 
Just a wakeup call: St. Mary’s College in the town of St. Mary’s KS is not accredited at all. It awaits accreditation by the KS Board of Regents in 2010.
OK, here’s the deal:

The *Newman Guide to Choosing a Catholic College: What to Look For and Where to Find It * lists only 21 institutions of higher learning in the US and Canada, 20 in the US, that it finds acceptable.

I looked up these 20 in the** US News & World Report’**s comprehensive review of 1400 institutions of higher learning in the US. The survey ranks according to 15 indicators of academic excellence. Selection criteria and weighting are explained in detail on the website and in print.
As one who has worked in the field of accreditation and collage rankings, I would like to make a few comments on this topic.

Accreditation should be important for most people when choosing a college. A degree from a college that is not accredited can be useless, as some unfortunate people have found out the hard way.

On the other hand, one shouldn’t place too much emphasis on rankings such as those published by US News & World Report. They base these rankings on factors that THEY think are important, which may not be what YOU would find important. The methods used to determine these rankings can also produce misleading results. For example, if a college has a “poor” graduation rate, it may not mean that there is anything wrong with that college. If the college allows flexibility in scheduling, permits part-time student loads, is near a military or other transit area, has more commuter students as opposed to resident students, or prices classes by the credit instead of by the load, its graduation rates will probably be lower. This is not any reflection on the quality of education at this institution, however. It does NOT mean that YOU would have any trouble graduating from this college.
 
There is no TLM in Steubenville, and nor are there known to be any traditional Catholics attending the school, according to a recruiter I met with when I was looking for colleges two years ago.
Well, I hate to tell you, but the recruiter you spoke with is mistaken. At least with the assertion that there are no “traditional” students at Franciscan. The school’s actually full of them and it has been for quite some time from what I gather. S/he must not have known what you meant by “traditional”. From what I’ve heard, we even had some students that were so “traditional” that they were schismatic (at the time).

Anyway, since the motu proprio the TLM, as you call it, is available for students at the nearby St. Peter’s (where most of the “traditional” minded, including myself, would go on Sunday). Before this time students would go to a chapel in Pittsburgh. I suppose that most actually still opt for this option considering that TLM (as you call it) is not available every single Sunday in Steubenville. My point is, there ARE plenty of “traditional” students at Franciscan. They have waxed while the charismatic elements seem to have actually waned a bit.

However, this being said, I still wouldn’t go to Steubeville…ever…even if they had “TLM” every day of the week. It’s a terrible school. To this date there are no REAL “traditional Catholic colleges”…I wonder when the last time one ACTUALLY existed? (That is, as people seem to be defining it) I ask, has such a chimera EVER existed? What constitutes a “traditional Catholic University”? 13th century University of Paris? I don’t think even that would pass the criteria people are hoping for! What do you all think a university is supposed to be?
 
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