Traditional Catholic College

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I’m sorry, but I have to ask why you say this? Some people seem to have this opinion on CAF, but don’t really support it.

I’m going there next week, but from all I have seen it seems like a great place, the ideal Catholic school. It doesn’t really matter to me if it offers the EF or not, but it seems to be very orthodox.

Of course you go there and I do not yet, but your words were quite strong against it, and I really must ask why.

Believe me, I know what a Catholic school is like when it’s only Catholic in name. Take Duquesne University as an example. The administration was disappointing, to say the least, attendance at daily mass was sparse, they had maybe one hour of week for Adoration, they had few resources for Catholics as it sounds like Franciscan does. They even allowed an organization on campus called Lambda (Gay-Straight Alliance). Ah, how shocked I was when I stepped onto the campus of Franciscan University, and everyone (even faculty) was openly Catholic, daily mass was packed, they have 24x7 Adoration, chapels in the dorms, etc. And I’m really looking forward to joining one of the households.

So that’s why I’m shocked when people say they’d never recommend Franciscan to anyone. In comparison to where I went and am transferring from, it seems like heaven.
No one has responded to this comment about Franciscan Steubenville.

So in response to the OP’s question,

I think that if you combine the rankings of UN News & World Report and the Newman Guide, the best trad Catholic colleges would appear to be St. Thomas Aquinas in California and the Catholic University of America.

Franciscan ranks 28th in Midwest Universities, not very high, certainly behind Thomas Aquinas and CUA. I can’t speak as to the quality of education in any of these schools, including Franciscan. It will vary from department to department, of course.
 
There is now Fishmore College in Fr. Worth, TX which

*Celebrates the traditional Mass exclusively
*Is 100% recognized by the local Bishop
*Staff take the oath against modernism
*Has a dress code which is according to the traditional norms of the Vatican / Pius XII

Some of the earlier pictures showed Fr. Wolfe of the FSSP performing some of the ceremonies although I don’t think they’re staffed by Fraternity.

fishermore.edu/
 
There is now Fishmore College in Fr. Worth, TX which

*Celebrates the traditional Mass exclusively
*Is 100% recognized by the local Bishop
*Staff take the oath against modernism
*Has a dress code which is according to the traditional norms of the Vatican / Pius XII

Some of the earlier pictures showed Fr. Wolfe of the FSSP performing some of the ceremonies although I don’t think they’re staffed by Fraternity.

fishermore.edu/
👍 Thanks for the link.
 
Their refusal to bring in a priest from outside to celebrate the Tridentine Mass for the 150 who asked for it in a petition also seemed proximate to schism, since it is disobedient to the motu proprio which required that all “stable groups” (of about four or more) be granted access to our Mass.
Bro. JR has explained, on other threads, how orders work. I have not met the abbot, so I cannot characterize him; but I wonder if the characterization that he is “hostile” to the EF is because he is not meeting the perceived needs of those requesting the EF in the way they expect, and that they are fairly to totally unfamiliar with the dynamics and requirements of an order.

The requirements of SP apply first to the parish priest; given this is a college and not a parish, that may be the first issue. And the priest is not required to provide the Mass; he is requested to do the best he can. He is not required by SP to take the training, learn Latin, or provide the Mass; it is voluntary but he is required to do the best he can for the parishoners. In other words, SP is hortatory, not law.

The second issue may be the bishop; to begin with it is entirely possible he has no jurisdiction either in civil or Canon law over the college. He may be extremely limited as to what he can or cannot do depending on how the college is set up, and in most circumstances it is going to be far more limited than the average Catholic understands. A lot has changed since the 1950’s in terms of both civil and Canon law.

Further, the bishop also finds SP hortatory; he is to do the best he can, but he is not required by law to provide the EF. He has to find priests willing to learn and say the EF, and priests are not required to do so. In other words, he cannot command one to do so.

that would leave an appeal to Rome; it is strange that Rome gave no response; what would seem to be suggested is that the appeal be revived.

Rome, too, may have an issue; they may feel that a college community is not the stable group that was intended by SP as students come and students go, while people in a parish tend to stay for much longer times. Or it could be that for some reason it was lost in shuffle. One would think that they would provide some sort of answer, even if that was “Please start over”.

As to your comment that four people make a stable group, I don’t believe that Rome has made any such statement. I have seen this before, but it seems to be nothing more than some writer’s opinion unfounded on any documentation. Having said that, it would seem that 150 students, particularly if that number has stayed fairly steady over several years, might at least get Rome’s intention.

What is not said is that there are no free lunches anywhere. Assuming that a priest could be found to travel to the campus, how are the legitimate costs going to be covered? Has anyone broached that topic? I have not seen too many colleges or universities rolling in excess cash; and having been both an undergraduate and graduate student who had to pay for books, tuition and transportation, I don’t think the students are going to be able to carry much of the cost.
 
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