Traditional Catholic Contemplation

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You’ve already been pointed toward St. Francis de Sales. I would also suggest St. Jose Maria Escriva. You said something that made me think of him. You refered to “profane duties”. ** St. Jose Maria may help you see that there is not such thing as “profane duties”. Everything is the work of God. ** One can be a contemplative and be a spouse, parent, and career person all in one package. One has to learn to pray through one’s work and while one works. St. Jose Maria writes beatifully on this area.
:thumbsup:Thank-you for pointing that out. I know that all we do should be the work of God, but I tend to forget. (It seems to be a common human condition. 😦 )

Another contemplative in the secular world was Catherine de Hueck Doherty. She founded Madonna House Apostolate. Her writings and her bioagraphy are inspirational. She’s very interesting. She was an Orthodox Christian who became a Latin Catholic, married an Eastern Catholic, who became a priest. She was a contemplative and the wife of an Eastern Catholic priest.
**Yes indeed. I’ve been to Madonna House in Combermere Ontario, about an hour or two away from my place. But both times we were there only for a short day visit. (A family we know were staying for a week.)
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She brings to the contemplative life the beauty of Eastern mysticism. We have to admit it, the Orthodox and the Oriental Catholics have a very rich mystical tradition, which is the excetion among Roman Catholics and the norm among them. I believe that part of it is historical. They have been oppressed by so many people and systems: Muslims, Communists, Nazis and anyone else who could invade their countries. They did not develop the social ministries that we have in the Roman Church: hospitals, schools, orphanages, etc. They lived most of their lives underground or in the shadows avoiding being noticed. They spent much more time in silence and prayer compared to their Roman Catholic brothers and sisters.

Catherine brings that over into Roman Catholicism and applies it to the life of the lay person. Check out her writings. She brought with her something that only the Carmelites, Carthusians and Francisans had, the Postinia or hermitage. But in the Eastern tradition, Catholic and Orthodox, the use of the hermitage for short periods of time is very common among the laity. It can be for a weekend, a week or several times a year.

I have a cousing who is the mother of three and she takes two weeks a year to go away to a hermitage to pray.👍

Another good resource are the letters of St.Vincent de Paul to Louise de Marillac. Many people think of Louise as a nun. The truth is that she was never a nun. Louise was a widow and a mother. She was drawn to the poor and the sick. Vicent guided her so that she could be a mother to her children and be a Daughter of Charity to the poor. The spirituality that he wrote for her was for a lay woman. Elizabeth Ann Seton also writes contemplative spirituality for the lay person. She too was not a nun or a sister. She was a widow and a mother.

I’m always inspired by Elizabeth’s writings on Eternity and her desire to reach Eternity.

Check her out.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Yes, yes yes! It may require some adjustments to your time, initially, such as rising a bit earlier to spend time in converse with Christ.
Now that may begin as a Lenten project. I work evenings so my mornings are difficult. You’ll find that Our Lord is a very good gardener, pulling out the weeds, watering the tiny plants of devotion, and delighting to receive your tokens of love. One of our saints coined a lovely expression, that Jesus puts honey on his breast to attract us to HImself.

Your seeking has rekindled my desires as I recalled my earliest days of devotion when the ‘honey’ was plentiful. I can’t remember what happened to my special books of devotion, but maybe the borrower found them to be such treasures that I never got them back. As I reflected on my beginnings, I ordered these three books yesterday with my christmas gift card. All are 5-star classics and Amazon has excellent book reviews on them, although Barnes & Noble was cheaper. I was holding my breath that I could still obtain them after all these years. Just in time for lent!
  • Confidence in God - Considine
  • My Dear Child - Urquhart
  • My Other Self - Enzler
My father had given me the first book when I was in the hospital and away from the Church and God. I never forgot the special providence of God in using this devotional to bring me home to Him.

Reg, thank you for sharing your thoughts here. They are bringing good fruit! I will keep you in prayer that God will bless all your efforts to draw closer to Him.
Dominus vobiscum!!!
(Please help me with my Latin: does “vobiscum” change when addressing one person verses addressing two or more???)
 
Dominus vobiscum!!!
(Please help me with my Latin: does “vobiscum” change when addressing one person verses addressing two or more???)
Vobis is plural ablative, te is singular ablative. It would be tecum if only one were addressed. Vobiscum addresses more than one person. Vobiscum is therefore more precise than “with you.” Modern English, unlike many other languages, is very poor in addressing the second person.
 
After literally decades of wandering around in the fog on this subject I finally read Ascent of Mt Carmel by St John of the Cross. I couldn’t put it down. He was describing so much of my own experience and shedding light on it in a way that left me awed. I don’t really understand why God left me “in the dark” so to speak for such a long time, but I understand that it was all purposeful and accomplished something in me. Prayer is something we do, and prayer is also something God does. The closer God decides to draw you to Himself, the less you do, the more He does. You can’t see prayer out of the context of the relationship you have with God. You give yourself to Him, He gives Himself to you. The Saints have been there, done that, and they understand it better than we do. We can learn much from them. But God Himself wants intimacy with us. That is why we have that longing that can’t be satisfied by anything else and that is why we pray.
 
Having read these responses with the suggested (or possibly required?) spiritual practices, I’m starting to wonder how one can integrate contemplation into a typical life … if one cannot take the time to follow these disciplines due to one’s station in life (earning a living, keeping a household together, etc.) can a person really embark on true contemplation?
I’m guessing that each person has to reach a balance between spiritual exercises and making sure they are keeping on top of their ‘profane’ duties.
Of course in all of this we must make sure that we love God with all our heart, all our soul, all our mind, and with all our strength.
I read somewhere that God creates each of us with a capacity to be filled by Him. For example, if I was a quart jar and you were a gallon jug, I would be filled with only a quart but you would be filled with an entire gallon. However, we would both be perfectly satisfied and there would be no striving or competition because God would meet us according to our measure.
Sometimes life can be very busy but we are given duties and responsibilities in this life to which we will be called to account(the parable of the talents). The end of “true contemplation” is a relationship with God, fulfilling the greatest commandment to love Him with everything and love our neighbor as ourself. To illustrate, certainly there are the ingredients but the cake is the final outcome of the combination of the ingredients. There is the tree and then there is the fruit that it bears. So yes, you are right about the idea of keeping a balance, and God helps us to do that when we obey Him.
I always wanted to join a monastery but God had other ideas. I am where He wants me to be and that is where I meet Him each moment of my life. Your final sentence is very true. It’s the relationship we have with God and one another that is the focus, and I might add, the only thing we will take with us into His Kingdom when we die.
 
Having read these responses with the suggested (or possibly required?) spiritual practices, I’m starting to wonder how one can integrate contemplation into a typical life … if one cannot take the time to follow these disciplines due to one’s station in life (earning a living, keeping a household together, etc.) can a person really embark on true contemplation?
I’m guessing that each person has to reach a balance between spiritual exercises and making sure they are keeping on top of their ‘profane’ duties.
Of course in all of this we must make sure that we love God with all our heart, all our soul, all our mind, and with all our strength.
OK, so here come the Ignatius groupie again!! 😛

This is one of the reasons that St. Ignatius added the 19th Annotation to his Spiritual Exercises. It takes what is a typically 30 day silent retreat and turns it into a 30 week experience, the retreat of every day life.

It fascinates me, even 500 years ago Ignatius realized that the average person could not walk away from their responsibilities for 30 days to go on retreat! 🙂
 
Here is a link to a blog by a group of Jesuits who do a Lenten Retreat in the style of St. Ignatius’ Spiritual Exercises.

I was happy to learn that they would be doing it again this year, with a new group of Jesuits. I found it a beneficial addition to my Lenten journey last year and it gives you a very good general overview (at least it did last year 😉 ) of how*** the Exercises ***are structured.
 
Dear Reginator,

I was thinking about you as I read this message for today in God Calling.
I always hear your cry. No sound escapes Me.
Many, many in the world cry to Me, but oh! how few wait to hear Me speak to them, and yet to the soul, My speaking to it matters so much.
My words are Life. Think then, to hear Me speak is to find Life, and healing and strength. Trust Me in all things.

Love showered on all brings truly a quick return.
Just carry out My wishes and leave Me to carry out yours.
Treat Me as Savior and King, but also with the tender intimacy of One much beloved.

Keep to the rules I have laid down for you, persistently, perseveringly, lovingly, patiently, hopefully, and in faith, and every mountain of difficulty shall be laid low, the rough places of poverty shall be made smooth, and all who know you shall know that I, your Lord, am the Lord.
Shower love.
 
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