Traditional Catholic Definition

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What makes one a Traditional Catholic?

Must they follow Latin Rite only? Douay-Rheim only?

Can a Traditional Catholic be Charismatic?

What’s your definition of a Traditional Catholic?
 
stacybks said:
What makes one a Traditional Catholic?

Must they follow Latin Rite only? Douay-Rheim only?

Can a Traditional Catholic be Charismatic?

What’s your definition of a Traditional Catholic?
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  1. I suppose at the least a preference for the Traditional Latin Mass
  2. It is debatable, and no- I use other Bible translations (but prefer the DR).
  3. No, Charismatism is definitely not traditional
  4. Someone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass
 
There’s a good many of us traditional Catholics out there. We grew up before Vatican II. We didn’t protest the imposition of the NO and have followed the magisterium of HMC since we were teens. Many of us have found NO parishes where everything is according to Hoyle. Deo gratias ite Deo gratias. I am perfectly content with my reverent NO cathedral parish. I would, however, like for my sons to be exposed to an EF Solemn High Mass once a month. Youngest son (almost 24) was crowing to me today about how one of his anime themes was in Latin and he recognized it.

I could just as easily revert back to the Mass I knew as a kid. I am perfectly content with a properly celebrated and reverent NO. If I had to attend my local parish (instead of driving 25 miles one way) I would probably feel quite different.

Vatican II hit when I was a freshman in high school - a Catholic boys high school. For me and my folks, it was obedience to the magesterium of HMC. Plain and simple. I point the finger at myself. I did indeed leave HMC for many years until I found my reverent NO cathedral parish. Went to an SSPX chapel until I found out it was not in union with HMC.

I am still that Catholic kid who grew up before Vatican II. My conscience was formed before Vatican II and it still guides my life.
I am a traditional Catholic because that is who I am. We get left out of the equation because so may of our contemporaries decided that …I’m not going to say it. Suffice it to say that for every one of my contemporaries who fully embraced the NO in December of 1969, there were a buch of us old fogies who didn’t and just adhered to what the magisterium said.

Forty years later (and with bishops who merely"acknowledge" the MP, here we are. I always knew things would turn around.
 
Sorry, not to be a pest nor rude… but I’m not used to all the abbreviations and have no understanding of them…

Could someone please water down brotherhrolf’s post in dummy terms?
 
stacybks said:
Sorry, not to be a pest nor rude… but I’m not used to all the abbreviations and have no understanding of them…

Could someone please water down brotherhrolf’s post in dummy terms?
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HMC = Holy Mother Church
NO = Novus Ordo, sometimes now called the OF, or Ordinary Form. It is the new Mass in the vernacular, though it can also be said in the original Latin, used in most Catholic parishes today.
EF = Extraordinary Form, sometimes called TLM or Traditional Latin Mass. It is the Mass that was used everywhere in the Latin rite before the Second Vatican Council and the changes.
 
preV2tradcath said:
HMC = Holy Mother Church
NO = Novus Ordo, sometimes now called the OF, or Ordinary Form. It is the new Mass in the vernacular, though it can also be said in the original Latin, used in most Catholic parishes today.
EF = Extraordinary Form, sometimes called TLM or Traditional Latin Mass. It is the Mass that was used everywhere in the Latin rite before the Second Vatican Council and the changes.
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“Novus Ordo” and especially “NO” are pejorative slurs at this point in history. The Church certainly doesn’t commonly refer to the Mass of Paul XI as either the “Novus Ordo” or the “NO” Mass. I think if one did some digging one could unearth 1-2 official documents in total that used “Novus Ordo” and that’s it.

I really don’t think I have ever met anyone who uses “Novus Ordo” or “NO” that didn’t do so in a quietly demeaning way. Someone who otherwise made it clear they had personal problems with the OF. Using either “Novus Ordo” or “NO” typically says something very specific about the user – and it’s not positive.
 
preV2tradcath said:
HMC = Holy Mother Church
NO = Novus Ordo, sometimes now called the OF, or Ordinary Form. It is the new Mass in the vernacular, though it can also be said in the original Latin, used in most Catholic parishes today.
EF = Extraordinary Form, sometimes called TLM or Traditional Latin Mass. It is the Mass that was used everywhere in the Latin rite before the Second Vatican Council and the changes.
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MP=motu proprio - referring to the letter “Summorum Pontificum”, issued by Pope Benedict XVI.
 
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4) Someone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass**

**Do you mean to imply that the Eastern Liturgies are not traditional?

I attend the Byzantine liturgy, and consider myself quite traditional, thank you very much.

OTOH, sedevacantists make a big deal of their attending ONLY the Latin mass, and sedevacantism is NOT traditional.**
 
bpbasilphx said:
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4) Someone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass**

**Do you mean to imply that the Eastern Liturgies are not traditional?

I attend the Byzantine liturgy, and consider myself quite traditional, thank you very much.

OTOH, sedevacantists make a big deal of their attending ONLY the Latin mass, and sedevacantism is NOT traditional.**
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Usually, “Traditional Catholicism” is used in reference to the Latin Rite prior to the 60’s.

Eastern Catholicism went through the opposite effect of the Latin Rite- instead of losing ancient traditions, VII encouraged Eastern Catholics to become more traditional. Mainstream Eastern Catholic Churches are inherently traditional.
 
bpbasilphx said:
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4) Someone who attends the Traditional Latin Mass**

**Do you mean to imply that the Eastern Liturgies are not traditional?

I attend the Byzantine liturgy, and consider myself quite traditional, thank you very much.

OTOH, sedevacantists make a big deal of their attending ONLY the Latin mass, and sedevacantism is NOT traditional.**
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For goodness sakes. You know quite well this forum is for Traditional Catholicism within the Latin rite.
 
Mainstream Eastern Catholic Churches are inherently traditional.

Thanks!👍

For goodness sakes. You know quite well this forum is for Traditional Catholicism within the Latin rite.

Then the forum should be entitled "Traditional Latin Catholicism."
 
bpbasilphx said:
Mainstream Eastern Catholic Churches are inherently traditional.

Thanks!👍

For goodness sakes. You know quite well this forum is for Traditional Catholicism within the Latin rite.

Then the forum should be entitled "Traditional Latin Catholicism."
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Since you apparently missed this part of the forum description:

“Forum for discussion of traditional Roman Catholic spirituality”
 
Walking_Home said:
Since you apparently missed this part of the forum description:

“Forum for discussion of traditional Roman Catholic spirituality”
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For goodness sakes. You know quite well this forum is for Traditional Catholicism within the Latin rite
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How strange! Here I was believing for 60 years already that I am a Roman Catholic. Are those who attend the Pauline Rite members of some other Catholic Church? And cannot those people adhere to traditional Roman Catholic practices as well as those who only attend the Extraordinary Form of the Latin Rite?
 
Frosty said:
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Since you apparently missed this part of the forum description:

“Forum for discussion of traditional Roman Catholic spirituality”

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For goodness sakes. You know quite well this forum is for Traditional Catholicism within the Latin rite

How strange! Here I was believing for 60 years already that I am a Roman Catholic. Are those who attend the Pauline Rite members of some other Catholic Church? And cannot those people adhere to traditional Roman Catholic practices as well as those who only attend the Extraordinary Form of the Latin Rite?
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Maybe – if you had taken the time to read the post by bpbasilphx to which I initially responded to, you would not be asking such questions.
 
Walking_Home said:
Maybe – if you had taken the time to read the post by bpbasilphx to which I initially responded to, you would not be asking such questions.
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Thank you. I did read the post you were replying to and I do understand the point both of you were trying to make. However, my question still stands as there are those who do believe that one can only be traditional by attending the Extraordinary Form of the Lartn Rite.
 
Frosty said:
Thank you. I did read the post you were replying to and I do understand the point both of you were trying to make. However, my question still stands as there are those who do believe that one can only be traditional by attending the Extraordinary Form of the Lartn Rite.
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In the strict traditional sense – yes. But within the OF --there are people with strong traditional sense too.
 
The term varies, depending on the context and timing. For this place, “talk about the Traditional Latin Mass, the Indult, SSPX, sedevacantism” is the purpose of this forum, although many other issues seem to be allowed, including your question, and sedevacatnism is currently a banned topic. A broader definitions reads, “Forum for discussion of traditional Roman Catholic spirituality.”
 
stacybks said:
What makes one a Traditional Catholic?

Must they follow Latin Rite only? Douay-Rheim only?

Can a Traditional Catholic be Charismatic?

What’s your definition of a Traditional Catholic?
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I consider myself a traditionalist Catholic of a sort. I do not have the opportunity to go to Mass in Latin but I know my Latin and would welcome the day should it ever come.

I read the Bible in Latin. I don’t care too much for Douay-Rheims becuase I can’t speak German and a lot of the English used in it smacks me as just too German. I sometimes read the Bible in Syriac and Greek but that is for language study. When I want to really READ the Bible, I read Latin.

If you mean Charismatic as in “hey everybody, let’s all sing the happdy dappy song and have a good time being selfish” then the answer is NO.
However, I will defend the faith and I will push the faith onto people. I have great joy in the faith and I want to share that beautiful gift from allmight God. Sometimes I am hard on people, I admit. I met a Philipeno lady and I asked her is she was Catholic and when she said no I jumped on her with “Why Not?!” She belonged to one of these “if you just believe you can drive a cadillac” churches. I spent a lot of time with her to show her that the Catholic Church was the one and only true church and she herself expressed amazement that I knew the bible but then insulted me by saying that I should go and start myown church and be a preacher. Hopefully, what I said to her that day will eventually lead her back to the Only true Church.

I would say that a traditionalist Catholic to me is someone who really takes their faith very seriously and honors many of the older traditions that we have in the Church. I don’t pray the older liturgy of the hours but I do pray the liturgy of the hours and I wish more Catholics did the same. I keep my rosary on me and I pray it all in Latin. I have statues in my house as well as icons. I read about the saints and ask them for help. For me there is no compromise on any Church teaching.

I kind of feel like this is the way all Catholics should be. Many Catholics perhaps like the newer things better but we should not forget about the older pratices.

Probably one of the things that makes people see me as the more traditionalist kind of Catholic, even more than my constant mumbling in Latin (my favorite language) is my attitude twards protestants and “orthodox”.

For me a Christian is a member of the Catholic Church. The idea to me that a person is a Catholic seems odd. A Church can be Catholic but a person can not be everywhere at the same time unless he is Christ. For me a Christian is the adjective for the person. Catholic is the adjective for the Church. Christians belong to the Catholic Church.

This is not too hard to understand. Muslims belong to Islam. Semitic langauges work that way.

Christians belong to the Catholic Church and live the Way of Christ. See, all of these different names and discriptions work together. We practice the Way, we are Christians and be belong to the Body of Christ known as the Catholic Church. Protestants claiming to be Christians when no bishop has told them that they are accepted into Christianity, the Catholic Church, is really presumtuous and rude I feel.

I am not so hard on the “orthodox” but I won’t let them off to easily either. They have valid bishops but that means that even higher moral behavior is expected of them because they supposidly have successors to the apostles guiding them. Also, to remain in schism is a terrible offense to the unity of Christ body and they really need to get their act together and end this situation.
 
A ‘traditional’ Catholic is one who practices the traditional faith (no blurring of right and wrong, no compromising with error or sin) through traditional means (tried and true pre-V2 methods of prayer and worship).

15 decade rosary
Latin Mass
Baltimore Catechism
etc.

Brotherhrolf, you and others should not perpetuate the lie that the SSPX is ‘not in union’ with the Church. As the Society has been claiming for the last 20 years, and as is now openly admitted in Rome these days, the SSPX is an internal matter for the church. They are said to be in a state of imperfect communion, which is still a degree of ‘union’ with the church. Please refrain from this false accusation in the future. Thanks.
 
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