Traditional Catholic vs. traditionalist Catholic, any difference?

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I have not ceased to be a Catholic. I attend the one true Mass which was declared elicit after Vatican II even though the Council of Trent decreed that it can never be declared elicit. I am obligated as a Catholic to reject all forms of heresy and to speak out against it. Vatican II was the creation of the enemies of the one true church, in their attempts to destroy their greatest enemy and lead souls astray.

sspxseminary.org/apologetics/crisis/Vatican_II/statistics.shtml

romancatholicism.org/101-john-paul.htm

novusordowatch.org/about.htm

sedevacantist.com/

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6874482611768050603&q=In+the+Spirit+of+Chartres&total=17&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
 
MatrAdmirabilis said:
I have not ceased to be a Catholic. I attend the one true Mass which was declared elicit after Vatican II even though the Council of Trent decreed that it can never be declared elicit. I am obligated as a Catholic to reject all forms of heresy and to speak out against it. Vatican II was the creation of the enemies of the one true church, in their attempts to destroy their greatest enemy and lead souls astray.

sspxseminary.org/apologetics/crisis/Vatican_II/statistics.shtml

romancatholicism.org/101-john-paul.htm

novusordowatch.org/about.htm

sedevacantist.com/

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6874482611768050603&q=In+the+Spirit+of+Chartres&total=17&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
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If these sites are representative of what you believe, then you have in fact ceased to be Catholic at all, let alone one of the Roman Rite.

And kindly spare us any further links, we’ve all seen them before. At best, you’ll be piling coals of fire on your own head by misleading some innocent who reads this bilge.
 
MatrAdmirabilis said:
I have not ceased to be a Catholic.
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No, but by your definition of the Catholic Church you have limited yourself to a small circle of those who believe the Pope is not the Pope. You come here to a real Catholic website say our Holy Father can not be the Pope because he is a manifest heretic? Did you even read the rules before you started breaking them here are do you think you are above them?
 
MatrAdmirabilis said:
I certainly hope that my previous statements that I believe the Holy See to be vacant would clearly show that I believe in the sede vacante position. I call myself a Roman Catholic.
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J+M+J
Your posts are too textbook and lead me to believe you are simply someone who was banned, and is back to grind the old ax. If so, then I don’t have to remind you that your stay will be short lived.

If I’m wrong about your intentions, then allow me to ask, why you would spew venom at His Holiness Benedict XVI on a thread started by someone who is just now coming into the Church ? Nothing good can come your way by doing it. He’ll either ignore you, become confused, or shy away from his conversion. Is this your apostolate ?

If you are indeed sincere, know that setting up your own little magisterium doesn’t cut it. There is nothing traditional about that.

Our Father in Heaven, if it be Thy Will, grant our Holy Father on Earth, Pope Benedict XVI many more years in service of Holy Mother Church. We ask this in the + Name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost, Amen.
 
This is the first time I have ever been to this forum. I have a membership with yahoo answers, and someone who is a member of this forum invited me to join it based on my beliefs. I saw a section called Traditional Catholic which lead me to believe that this was a spot for those with the same beliefs as me. It appears someone may have been setting me up. That is unfortunate. It is becoming clear to me that I am not wanted in this forum and that there is not one single person with the same beliefs. As I do not wish to be outnumbered, nor debate your beliefs with mine, I will leave and never disturb any of you again.

pax vobiscum in nomine Domini
 
one more thing, for pnewton

I read the forum rules, and there is nothing in them that I have broken. There is nothing that says that I cannot call B16 a heretic or post anything that I have said. So I don’t know what forum rules you are reading.
 
MatrAdmirabilis said:
one more thing, for pnewton

I read the forum rules, and there is nothing in them that I have broken. There is nothing that says that I cannot call B16 a heretic or post anything that I have said. So I don’t know what forum rules you are reading.
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From the post labeled IMPORTANT FORUM INFO: Please Read!
For the foreseeable future, sedevacantism will not be discussed in the Traditional Catholicism forum. And since sedevacantism was only allowed to be discussed in the Traditional Catholicism forum, it will also not be discussed on any of the CAF forums for the foreseeable future.
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=127816

This is a good reason not to jump in a place swinging and banging heads the first day one joins any public group. Common sense and good etiquette would argue that understanding the people of a website and the direction of threads should come first before such extreme posting; just as listening should proceed speaking.
 
ah, well now that wasn’t in the forum rules. That was something else. Pardon me. I am not the one who brought up the subject. I am however the one who has been attacked for being a “sede vacantist”. I am more than happy not to talk about sede vacante in this forum so long as people stop badgering me about it.
 
in my opinion, the last valid pope we had was his most Holy Pope Pius XII who died in 1958. How I wish we had another Pius XII right now guiding us through this storm.

Sedevacantism is neither tradtional nor Catholic.
 
as you see I am not the only one who hasn’t kept up with the important info. I will not discuss sede vacantism anymore out of respect for the moderators. I should hope everyone else will do the same, and also abide by this rule

Members are not allowed to be disrespectful of anyone’s faith or religion, whether it is Catholicism or not
 
MatrAdmirabilis, Building your Faith on pre-VII catholic teachings is fine. But mixing them with contempt for Rome and rejecting what you see fit is cafeteria catholicism.

There have been those in the Hierarchy who have taught error and fallen into heresy throughout history. It’s not a post VII thing.

And don’t lay the crisis on one man’s shoulders. Pope BXVI inherited this mess. He didn’t enable it. Remember, that when the Cure d’ Ars was first made Bishop, the village resembled Babylon. Low Mass attendance, the Faithful spending Sundays drunk in taverns, etc.

Satan is the problem, not the Holy See. If you don’t hit the quote button on your post # 16, and recant, it’s not going to matter what we who oppose your position think. I would rather see you do so, than to see you banned.

pax
 
Yes, there is a difference – the traditional Catholic is in full communion with the Catholic Church, assents to all of the teaching of Christ’s Church which includes Vatican II and is therefore in accord with Canon 205, and accepts the ordinary form of the Mass (Ordo Missae of Paul VI), while normally participating in the extraordinary form of the Mass.

The term “traditionalist” is usually reserved for those who dissent from some doctrine of the Catholic Church and do not accept the ordinary form of the Mass.

The Catholic who is in full communion with Christ’s Church and normally participates in the ordinary form of the Mass may simply be described as “faithful”.
 
I consider myself an Orthodox Catholic. I believe what the church teaches and try my best to follow it. Liturgically my taste are more traditional but i do attend both the Ordinary and Extrodinary forms. I believe both are worshipful and valid.

thank you
 
joshhackerspmdo said:
I consider myself an Orthodox Catholic. I believe what the church teaches and try my best to follow it. Liturgically my taste are more traditional but i do attend both the Ordinary and Extrodinary forms. I believe both are worshipful and valid.
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JKirkLVNV said:
Pope Benedict XV in Beatissimi Apostolorum:

“24. It is, moreover, Our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations which have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided not only as “profane novelties of words,” out of harmony with both truth and justice, but also because they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics. Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: “This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved” (Athanas. Creed). There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism: it is quite enough for each one to proclaim “Christian is my name and Catholic my surname,” only let him endeavour to be in reality what he calls himself.”
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awesome, thanks!
JKirkLVNV said:
You can call yourself a Egyptian obelisk, but that doesn’t make you one. You’ve ceased to be Catholic as have those women who’ve allowed themselves to be “ordained” to the priesthood. Whether you’ve fallen out of the left side of the boat or the right side of the boat, you’re still out of the boat, in this case, the Barque of St. Peter.
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LOL. ok no, we really should be praying for them, and they for us. there are things which are not letting them see all of the Truth, and it is a scar in us as it is a scar in Christ.
 
I’d like to think that there are only two types of Catholics:

Practicing Catholic: One who follows Christ’s teachings, obeys our Pope in all things, attends Mass and all holy days of obligation, believes in and partakes in the Sacrements of our Catholic faith, and becomes involved with church activities.

Non-Practicing Catholic: One who, perhaps, was born a Catholic (Cradle Catholic), carried the title of being a Catholic, but who has no attachment to the church or religious activities involving the Catholic church, and does not follow the requirements and teachings of the Catholic faith.

How say we?
 
joshhackerspmdo said:
I consider myself an Orthodox Catholic. I believe what the church teaches and try my best to follow it. Liturgically my taste are more traditional but i do attend both the Ordinary and Extrodinary forms. I believe both are worshipful and valid.

thank you
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Same here with the exception that in this area I’ve only been able to watch the EF on TV or CD. I’d love to be able to actually assist at an EF!
 
joshhackerspmdo said:
I consider myself an Orthodox Catholic. I believe what the church teaches and try my best to follow it. Liturgically my taste are more traditional but i do attend both the Ordinary and Extrodinary forms. I believe both are worshipful and valid.

thank you
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:: Two thumbs waaay up:: Amen to that, brother.
 
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