Traditional Catholicism?

[Unitas]

When the priest puts his maniple on the bible it signifies that the Mass has ‘stopped’. That’s why the epistle and gospel are read in a non-sacred language (i.e. the vernacular). However, there is still (or should still be) a distinction between who is allowed in the sanctuary (or rather, in the whatchamacallit where the lay people shouldn’t be). Also, it is required that an ordained person give the sermon (at least at the TLM). I’ll have to look at what the OF says, but regardless, the celebrant of the Mass should *usually *be the one giving the sermon.

It’s the priest, or deacon once per month that may give the homily in the OF. Laity may not give homilies.

And my knickers seem to be bunched already.

Add obligatory breast-beating, holier-than-thou, martyristic, generic traditionalist comments here]

 

[maggiemay2u]

There is division. What enabled this division ?

Used to be, there are some things catholics just don’t do.

An example would be women standing at the altar. Women can’t be priests, but they can now do things priests do. Administer the Sacrament of Holy Communion. Same with male laity. Why ? What possible reason can be given for this, other than so we can get out of Mass faster ? Is that a justifiable reason ?

How about reading bulletin anouncements while the collection is being taken ? What is the point in that nonsense ? Is the K of C pancake breakfast next week so important we can have an intermission during the Mass to announce it ? If so, why are they wasting money and paper printing bulletins ? It’s not unique to the OF either. I went to a local SSPX Mass, and the priest did it before his homily ! So much for finding a more reverent Mass at the local SSPX Chapel

How about respect for the Blessed Sacrament ? I can’t find a single Mass in my town where the people can keep their mouths shut after Sunday Mass. It’s sickening to hear the murmur of mundane conversation immediately after Mass. It’s a Catholic church, not a bingo hall ! Funny thing is, the weekday OF I attend doesn’t have this problem. I suspect it is because the folks attending weekday Mass are catholics. The majority of those at Sunday Mass are posers, going through the motions.

They make me sick.

I’m with you,guy. Personally, I think parishes that feel the need for commercials from the pulpit during liturgy are lacking, ailing communities.

Vibrant communities can make announcements before liturgy or after, because the majority of the parishioners are present, and don’t have bus loads of folks who arrive long about the homily, and are in their cars before completion of Communion.

I have a definite problem with treating churches as if they were town halls. Gossip, social plans, trading recipes, thermostat settings, political debates–yipes. I hearken back to the nuns reminding us the Lord, our God was present, and to act accordingly. The noise level in some churches is so distracting, I’m sure I could contemplate the rosary easier at a Broncos game.

As for the homilies, I’m one of those knicker-twisting folks. To hear the deacon’s wife explaining how weeds grow in her rose garden is a gratuitous use of the complimentary norm of Canon Law 766. Why does it bother me? I liken it to Guiliani’s approach to cleaning up Times Square. It’s just another broken window, anther graffiti display. If we continue to tolerate and scoff at the violation of the little laws, then it becomes less offensive to tolerate violation of the big ones.

 

[maggiemay2u]

mmmmmmmmm…tell that to the folks who get their knickers in a knot when someone other than a priest or deacon speaks during that period called “homily”

“The diocesan bishop will determine the appropriate situations in accord with canon 772§1. In providing for preaching by the lay faithful the diocesan bishop may never dispense from the norm which reserves the homily to the sacred ministers (c. 767§1; cfr. Pontifical Commission for the Authentic Interpretation of the Code of Canon Law, 26 May 1987, in AAS 79 [1987], 1249). Preaching by the lay faithful may not take place within the Celebration of the Eucharist at the moment reserved for the homily…”

Most Reverend Wilton D. Gregory
Bishop of Belleville
President, USCCB
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops in Washington, DC, on December 13, 2001

 

[I_Believe]

I’m with you,guy. Personally, I think parishes that feel the need for commercials from the pulpit during liturgy are lacking, ailing communities.

Vibrant communities can make announcements before liturgy or after, because the majority of the parishioners are present, and don’t have bus loads of folks who arrive long about the homily, and are in their cars before completion of Communion.

I have a definite problem with treating churches as if they were town halls. Gossip, social plans, trading recipes, thermostat settings, political debates–yipes. I hearken back to the nuns reminding us the Lord, our God was present, and to act accordingly. The noise level in some churches is so distracting, I’m sure I could contemplate the rosary easier at a Broncos game.

As for the homilies, I’m one of those knicker-twisting folks. To hear the deacon’s wife explaining how weeds grow in her rose garden is a gratuitous use of the complimentary norm of Canon Law 766. Why does it bother me? I liken it to Guiliani’s approach to cleaning up Times Square. It’s just another broken window, anther graffiti display. If we continue to tolerate and scoff at the violation of the little laws, then it becomes less offensive to tolerate violation of the big ones.

Hi, and welcome to the forum

It’s crazy isn’t it ? We have a wonderful Pope now though, and I truly feel things will get better with time. We just have to make our priests aware of our concerns and hope they listen.

In fairness, the people are only as good as what they are taught. The average parishioner has no idea what the fuss is about.

We must pray for BXVI. He’s got his hands full