Traditional customs

[podger]

Hi Im trying find out some of the traditional customs that were used before Vatican ll.
eg. When you pass by a Catholic Church you should make the sign of the cross
Thanks Kathy

 

[Simon_X]

I can only say that these customs, things, have certainly made a come back. But since they were taught to me my the nuns in grade school and my mother, I am putting these in the category of pre Vat 2 era. Again, they have always been with us, but they may have been down played in the 70’s/80’s, but with us again. My opinion only…

Benedictions
Holy hours before the Eucharist
Sacramentals such as holy metals, scapulars, holy water, ect.
The rosary
Sisters wearing habits
Devotions such as novenas, prayers to angels (St Micheal)
Females wearing something on their heads in church

 

[JuanCarlos]

www.fisheaters.com

 

[INeed_Help_God]

Hello Everyone,

I don’t mean to be rude by posting something unrelevant in this forum. But I dont know how to start a new forum.
I have masturbated multiple times and I am concerned that I will go to Hell. The church has taught us that is you are truly sorry then God will forgive you. I have prayed to God asking for forgiveness and the strength to stop. But I dont know if I will go to Hell anyway
Please help.

 

[nannygirl]

Hello Everyone,

I don’t mean to be rude by posting something unrelevant in this forum. But I dont know how to start a new forum.
I have masturbated multiple times and I am concerned that I will go to Hell. The church has taught us that is you are truly sorry then God will forgive you. I have prayed to God asking for forgiveness and the strength to stop. But I dont know if I will go to Hell anyway
Please help.

This behavior is considered a mortal sin. It is a sin against your body. Please go to confession and your priest will be able to help you if you are truly repentant. You are not the first to suffer from this.

 

[podger]

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Hello Everyone,

I don’t mean to be rude by posting something unrelevant in this forum. But I dont know how to start a new forum.
I have masturbated multiple times and I am concerned that I will go to Hell. The church has taught us that is you are truly sorry then God will forgive you. I have prayed to God asking for forgiveness and the strength to stop. But I dont know if I will go to Hell anyway
Please help.

Go to confession & keep asking God for the strength you need to
resist all temptations
One day I was crying upstairs in my room and I said “God only you can create a miracle to cure me of this horrible sin”
And I was given a true miracle! I have no thoughts or wanting to do such a horrible thing again.
Thanks be to God!
God Bless your not alone!

 

[kujayhawk]

A slight bowing of the head at the name of Jesus.

Always having a rosary with you either in a purse or a pocket. Yes, I know many people do that now, but I think more did so before VCII.

 

[Spiller]

Hi Im trying find out some of the traditional customs that were used before Vatican ll.
eg. When you pass by a Catholic Church you should make the sign of the cross
Thanks Kathy

VC2 did not change that custom in the least. My family, friends and I still do it…

 

[Spiller]

A slight bowing of the head at the name of Jesus.

Always having a rosary with you either in a purse or a pocket. Yes, I know many people do that now, but I think more did so before VCII.

Nothing about either practice is pre-VC2. In fact, the later one is still in the rubrics of the Mass.

 

[Spiller]

I can only say that these customs, things, have certainly made a come back. But since they were taught to me my the nuns in grade school and my mother, I am putting these in the category of pre Vat 2 era. Again, they have always been with us, but they may have been down played in the 70’s/80’s, but with us again. My opinion only…

Benedictions
Holy hours before the Eucharist
Sacramentals such as holy metals, scapulars, holy water, ect.
The rosary
Sisters wearing habits
Devotions such as novenas, prayers to angels (St Micheal)
Females wearing something on their heads in church

All of the above except perhaps the last one are still quite common depending on where you live. Certainly has nothing to do with VC2.

 

[kujayhawk]

About “traditional customs” I posted the following earlier:

A slight bowing of the head at the name of Jesus.

Always having a rosary with you either in a purse or a pocket. Yes, I know many people do that now, but I think more did so before VCII.

Spiller, I am quoting your comment about my earlier post:

Nothing about either practice is pre-VC2. In fact, the later one is still in the rubrics of the Mass.

What are you saying?

I think the topic here is not what was changed or started by Vatican Council II, but customs of devotion and piety that might have been more “commonly known and practiced” during those times.

I was a young adult at the time of VC II, and have first hand knowledge of those times - before, during and after. I was then as now, a practicing Catholic with 16 years of Catholic schooling and have been very active in the church. I can be considered a “primary source” of information or observation on this topic.

I agree that the Council did not address bowing the head at the name of Jesus, and/or having a rosary with you all the time. But I think I am safe in saying that both were more common before the Council than they are now. What am I judging this on? As I said, my experience and observations.

As a Catholic school student in grade school, high school and college (undergraduate) all before or during the time of the Council, it was a “given” that everyone had a rosary with them all the time. My parents did, my friends all did. That’s just the way it was.

Is this still a common practice? As a Catholic school teacher for many years I have noticed that when we have school rosary services (Oct. & May) we have to give the kids lots of notice to remember to bring rosaries that day, and even then, many do not. Classrooms have collections of plastic rosaries to distribute. Many teachers use them as well, not having a rosary of their own with them!

Bowing the head at the name of Jesus was taught and practiced by most in those past days - but who does it now? It caught my eye a few weeks ago when the rosary was being said before a Sunday Mass, the couple in front of me both bowed their heads at the name of Jesus in every Hail Mary. So, being somewhat nosey, I looked around. This was in a very large church with many present. This had nothing to do with the rubrics of the Mass - it had to do with personal piety and devotion. Guess what I observed.

And, finally, about making the sign of the cross when passing a Catholic church, I am glad that you and your family continue the practice. Do you think most people in your locality do this?

 

[Spiller]

I think some are trying to infer that certain customs are less popular today due to VC2 and that simply has not been proven.

There are a great many reasons why the popularity of customs changes and it’s important to realize that they are often cyclical. A review of history will help. One must also recognize that for a large number, the customs and disciplines spoken about so far are still quite common – it is wrong to suggest they have went away…

 

[Chatter163]

I think some are trying to infer that certain customs are less popular today due to VC2 and that simply has not been proven.

I think that some members here are trying to** imply** that, and leaving it to the rest of us to infer it.

 

[Simon_X]

All of the above except perhaps the last one are still quite common depending on where you live. Certainly has nothing to do with VC2.

Didn’t the Church stop requiring women from wearing the little veil type things on their heads after V2? Went to Catholic school in the 60’s and I remember the girls had to put even a kleenex on their heads if they forgot their veil type thing when we had Mass.

Just sayin…

 

[m134e5]

the girls had to put even a kleenex on their heads if they forgot their veil type thing when we had Mass.

I’ve heard of that…that’s just plain ridiculous!

I try to remember to make the sign of the cross when passing a church. I do not like to attract attention to myself when I do it- that isn’t my reason for doing it- so if I am in the car with others, I will make a small cross on my forehead.

If I carry my rosary with me all the time, I’ll lose it. I’ve misplaced it so many times, I know I’m going to lose it for good one of these days if I haven’t already (I can’t find it at the moment).

 

[Spiller]

Didn’t the Church stop requiring women from wearing the little veil type things on their heads after V2? Went to Catholic school in the 60’s and I remember the girls had to put even a kleenex on their heads if they forgot their veil type thing when we had Mass.

Just sayin…

Canon law changed this requirement well after VC2 (1983) but it had nothing to do with VC2.

It’s ridiculous to round-up a bunch of very pious and wonderful customs and disciplines and slap a “traditional” label on them. Their beauty and appreciation transcend far beyond the nascent “traditionalist” movement.

 

[Spiller]

About “traditional customs” I posted the following earlier:

Spiller, I am quoting your comment about my earlier post:

What are you saying?

I think the topic here is not what was changed or started by Vatican Council II, but customs of devotion and piety that might have been more “commonly known and practiced” during those times.

I was a young adult at the time of VC II, and have first hand knowledge of those times - before, during and after. I was then as now, a practicing Catholic with 16 years of Catholic schooling and have been very active in the church. I can be considered a “primary source” of information or observation on this topic.

I agree that the Council did not address bowing the head at the name of Jesus, and/or having a rosary with you all the time. But I think I am safe in saying that both were more common before the Council than they are now. What am I judging this on? As I said, my experience and observations.

As a Catholic school student in grade school, high school and college (undergraduate) all before or during the time of the Council, it was a “given” that everyone had a rosary with them all the time. My parents did, my friends all did. That’s just the way it was.

Is this still a common practice? As a Catholic school teacher for many years I have noticed that when we have school rosary services (Oct. & May) we have to give the kids lots of notice to remember to bring rosaries that day, and even then, many do not. Classrooms have collections of plastic rosaries to distribute. Many teachers use them as well, not having a rosary of their own with them!

Bowing the head at the name of Jesus was taught and practiced by most in those past days - but who does it now? It caught my eye a few weeks ago when the rosary was being said before a Sunday Mass, the couple in front of me both bowed their heads at the name of Jesus in every Hail Mary. So, being somewhat nosey, I looked around. This was in a very large church with many present. This had nothing to do with the rubrics of the Mass - it had to do with personal piety and devotion. Guess what I observed.

And, finally, about making the sign of the cross when passing a Catholic church, I am glad that you and your family continue the practice. Do you think most people in your locality do this?

In no way are the things you speak about limited to “traditionalism.”

 

[thedavidwilson]

I’ve heard of that…that’s just plain ridiculous!

Yeah pretty ridiculous
1 Cor. 11:3-16
1 Be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraceth his head. 5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered, disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head. 7 The man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man. 9 For the man was not created for the woman, but the woman for the man. 10 Therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels.

10 “A power”… that is, a veil or covering, as a sign that she is under the power of her husband: and this, the apostle adds, because of the angels, who are present in the assemblies of the faithful.

11 But yet neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, so also is the man by the woman: but all things of God. 13 You yourselves judge: doth it become a woman, to pray unto God uncovered? 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that a man indeed, if he nourish his hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman nourish her hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.

 

[CB_Catholic]

Didn’t the Church stop requiring women from wearing the little veil type things on their heads after V2? Went to Catholic school in the 60’s and I remember the girls had to put even a kleenex on their heads if they forgot their veil type thing when we had Mass.

Just sayin…

Most of the women wore hats or scarves, not veils, when I grew up in the fifties. For daily Mass at school we wore headscarves, usually. And yes, we did put a kleenex on our heads if we forgot our scarves. I don’t remember too many mantillas (the “veil-type things”) until the 60’s.