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dava4444
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seems stupid quoting myself but here something I posted in another thread.
sexist? pure?
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what does everybody think?
sexist? pure?
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qui_est_ce
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There is a difference between Paul’s opinion and Church doctrine. Are you wearing a toga?
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Jacafamala
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I think the point is for women to cover up.
Paul’s so called opinion is actually God’s will.I’ve decided every woman should
HAVE to wear a ladylike long gored lace skirt. Because it’s just too pretty. 
I’ve been coveting this skirt all day. 
youtube.com/watch?v=mFJV3juyy74
No mom jeans to Mass. :nope: I think OhMally’d agree with me on this one. hehe!!!
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kleine_katerine
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I agree that people (men and women alike) wear all sorts of inappropriate things to Mass. At the beginning of June our priest stood up and told people that although the warm weather was on it’s way a church was not the place for shorts, strappy tops etc., etc. However if you impose the old dress code all in one go people may view it as threatening and stop coming to services. And that would be much worse. What we need, I think, is more (name removed by moderator)ut from our priests, deacons,councils etc. on what’s respectful and what’s not. Some people genuinely don’t know. Others forget.
With regards to the veils I think it would raise sexism issues among a lot of women, so an equivalent would have to be thought up for men. Men can be just as vain about their hair as women anyway. And make-up…well you’ll never stop women wearing it. I think as long as it’s tasteful it’s not a problem.
With regards to the veils I think it would raise sexism issues among a lot of women, so an equivalent would have to be thought up for men. Men can be just as vain about their hair as women anyway. And make-up…well you’ll never stop women wearing it. I think as long as it’s tasteful it’s not a problem.
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slyboots
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Veils ( although I wear them) seem to me to be not in the same realm as long skirts (which I also wear).
Veils are usually worn not for modesty but to help focus on prayer and out of obedience to a call. For anyone who thinks it is swxist I have to womder if you would consider it a punishment? Those of us who cover consider it a blessing.
Modesty should make common sense when at mass at least. Clubbing clothes, sports clothes all have their places. We are at mass to worship God. It is not just a stop on the way to the golf course or local watering hole…
Veils are usually worn not for modesty but to help focus on prayer and out of obedience to a call. For anyone who thinks it is swxist I have to womder if you would consider it a punishment? Those of us who cover consider it a blessing.
Modesty should make common sense when at mass at least. Clubbing clothes, sports clothes all have their places. We are at mass to worship God. It is not just a stop on the way to the golf course or local watering hole…
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kleine_katerine
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This is an excellent point. People should be reminded of this more regularly. After all common sense isn’t that common.
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EasterJoy
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If I were a man, I wouldn’t call a woman a “hen” unless I was ready to “duck”. 
I’d not expect her to fairly consider my opinion about how she expresses her femininity in public.
I’d be careful about buying any clothes that I could fairly say I coveted.
If I have a pair of pants that somebody called “Mom jeans”, I’d burn them. It sounds like a name for pants worn by someone who thinks motherhood forgives slovenliness. (Which could be me, but I wouldn’t want a blunt reminder in my closet, accusing me.)
I’d not expect her to fairly consider my opinion about how she expresses her femininity in public.I’d be careful about buying any clothes that I could fairly say I coveted.
If I have a pair of pants that somebody called “Mom jeans”, I’d burn them. It sounds like a name for pants worn by someone who thinks motherhood forgives slovenliness. (Which could be me, but I wouldn’t want a blunt reminder in my closet, accusing me.)
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dava4444
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LOL in Scotland ‘Hen’ is equivalent to daughter, well kind of, if older man is doing something in the street (lifting somthing etc…) and a younger man (no relation ) walks past he may say ‘hey son! would you give me a hand?’…it’s a fatherly motherly term of endearment.If I were a man, I wouldn’t call a woman a “hen” unless I was ready to “duck”.
I’d be careful about buying any clothes that I could fairly say I coveted.
If I have a pair of pants that somebody called “Mom jeans”, I’d burn them. It sounds like a name for pants worn by someone who thinks motherhood forgives slovenliness. (Which could be me, but I wouldn’t want a blunt reminder in my closet, accusing me.)
it’s what my heart said when I saw it on the BBC. …I’m only 33
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EasterJoy
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And I’m sure you wouldn’t put it that way in person, either!
Still, it is best to avoid these little terms of endearment when telling a woman that she needs to cover herself up, particularly if she is a total stranger. “Madam, pardon me, but that dress is not entirely decent” is better that “Honey, God love you, but that dress makes you look like a streetwalker.”
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puzzleannie
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the skirt is gorgeous and I second the nomination, but not with those shoes, which are so evening, not day, and certainly not churchI think the point is for women to cover up.
I’ve decided every woman should
youtube.com/watch?v=mFJV3juyy74
No mom jeans to Mass. :nope: I think OhMally’d agree with me on this one. hehe!!!
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EasterJoy
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Those are very pretty dresses, but also well beyond what solemnity alone requires. I hate to be a spoil-sport, but a much simpler dress will easily suffice for Sunday. Besides, a similar cut would still look very nice in a less costly and more durable fabric.
I would agree that the shoes in particular are far more “glam” (I would even say “come hither”) than what I would call “traditional”. You could go with a classic pump with a heel that was at least an inch shorter, and it would still work with that skirt length.
A low-heeled or flat shoe will totally change the look of those dresses, though. If I was looking for a dress to wear with low heels, I’d want something meant to be just a few inches shorter or else something several inches longer.
I’m not against lace dresses. I’m just saying that church dress doesn’t have to be fancy or costly to be totally appropriate. Sunday Mass isn’t a fashion contest. It is nice to have one or two really special dresses in the closet, if one can afford them, but it is important not to go overboard. The body is not the only thing we should take care not to flaunt, lest we tempt others to sin.
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RedSoxWife
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I don’t think a dress code would work because so many women would instantly rebel against the idea of being told what to wear (many men would too if that was the case). Obedience, even to the Church, isn’t all that trendy these days.
I think that at this point one of the most important thing we can do is encourage young women, from daughters and sisters to friends, to dress modestly. I’ve pointed out to some of my friends who are in their twenties that you do attract an entirely different type of man when you’re dress modestly, than when you have body parts hanging out.
I think one of the best ways to change how women dress at Mass is to try to help them to recognize what an important time it is, that they’re going to see God and that they shouldn’t dress like they’re going to the beach.
But I do agree with you that people should dress modestly at Mass and in general.
Now I’m not sure why makeup gets slammed so much…
I think that at this point one of the most important thing we can do is encourage young women, from daughters and sisters to friends, to dress modestly. I’ve pointed out to some of my friends who are in their twenties that you do attract an entirely different type of man when you’re dress modestly, than when you have body parts hanging out.
I think one of the best ways to change how women dress at Mass is to try to help them to recognize what an important time it is, that they’re going to see God and that they shouldn’t dress like they’re going to the beach.
But I do agree with you that people should dress modestly at Mass and in general.
Now I’m not sure why makeup gets slammed so much…
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bpbasilphx
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they should bring back a better dress code for women
**Who’s the “they” that should bring it back?
Do you have a daughter living at home?
If so, you have more control over what she wears than “they” will ever have.**
**Who’s the “they” that should bring it back?
Do you have a daughter living at home?
If so, you have more control over what she wears than “they” will ever have.**
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brigid12
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“Honey, God love you, but that dress makes you look like a streetwalker.”
That skirt is very pretty, although I agree about the shoes. Simple, modest dresses would be fine compared to what we see at Mass. I saw on this site someone commenting that it seemed that there was a competition as to who could dress the most casually - which is gone to the most slovenly. We actually believe we will be seeing the Lord of the World and that is what people want to wear?
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Jacafamala
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The" long gourd lace ladylike skirt" is GONE!!! I called. It’s GONE!!! What a bummer…
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You need a heel with a skirt like that, not that a high like the ones they’re showing, but you need a heel not a “sensible shoe”. It’s all about the glamour here.
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You need a heel with a skirt like that, not that a high like the ones they’re showing, but you need a heel not a “sensible shoe”. It’s all about the glamour here.
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qui_est_ce
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I have been having a really hard time with my daughter about this for several years. She is 18 now. She wears spaghetti strapped and low cut tops, short skirts, tight pants. She sometimes goes to mass with me (I quit fighting with her about it when she was 16). She doesn’t see anything wrong with short skirts. I’m glad to see her go to mass, so I accept that she wears jeans. It’s better than midriff showing mini-skirts. I wonder if a dress code would get ME out of the middle? At her high school graduation (Catholic school), two very well endowed young women in spaghetti straps put the altar cloths on. I got Colleen Hammond’s book Dressing with Dignity with the intention of leaving it lying around for her to read it. After reading it, I felt that it would turn my daughter off even more. The book has some good points, but she is over the top on a lot of things. (no pants, no public bathing)
Next thing you know, they’ll tell you women shouldn’t dye their hair!! (I don’t do it, but I wouldn’t be caught dead without lipstick)!
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EasterJoy
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Oh, I wasn’t referring to that dress in particular, just two ways to let a woman know that maybe she needs to cover up a bit more!!
That skirt is very pretty, although I agree about the shoes. Simple, modest dresses would be fine compared to what we see at Mass. I saw on this site someone commenting that it seemed that there was a competition as to who could dress the most casually - which is gone to the most slovenly. We actually believe we will be seeing the Lord of the World and that is what people want to wear?
But yes, there are a lot of spike shoes that could politely be said to give a “come hither” message. Some skirts are cut so that they don’t look right without a rather high heel, and they can’t simply be cut shorter to accomodate flatter shoes without ruining the way the fabric hangs.
I believe St. Paul pointed out that the ideal is to adorn ourselves with virtue. This is an avenue open to both men and women. St. James warned us not to look down on anyone or favor anyone because of the clothes they can afford. That points to a middle road.
There is a lot of room between the extremes of Las Vegas, Venice Beach, the Pacific Crest Trail, and attire permitted to fundamentalist Mormon women. And there is nothing that says women have to wear a dress on Venice Beach or the Pacific Crest Trail.
For liturgical gatherings, though, I think the ideal can be summed up this way: let our clothing reflect the dignity of the baptized, in a Church where women are recognized as co-heirs with men, where reverence is the goal, not attracting attention to ourselves by any extreme in clothing. That is going to look a bit different, in different places and at different times. It should always be dignifed, though, considering the time and place.
A day of being able to read men’s minds, and I think your daughter might see your point. My brothers told me that if women could read minds, they’d all dress like Muslims. I think that’s extreme, but I remembered the point. It is not just about protecting them from sin. It is about protecting our own self-respect.I have been having a really hard time with my daughter about this for several years. She is 18 now. She wears spaghetti strapped and low cut tops, short skirts, tight pants. She sometimes goes to mass with me (I quit fighting with her about it when she was 16). She doesn’t see anything wrong with short skirts. I’m glad to see her go to mass, so I accept that she wears jeans. It’s better than midriff showing mini-skirts. I wonder if a dress code would get ME out of the middle? At her high school graduation (Catholic school), two very well endowed young women in spaghetti straps put the altar cloths on. I got Colleen Hammond’s book Dressing with Dignity with the intention of leaving it lying around for her to read it. After reading it, I felt that it would turn my daughter off even more. The book has some good points, but she is over the top on a lot of things. (no pants, no public bathing)
This is the one area where the most ardent feminists and the most traditional women tend to agree: modest clothing is a matter of keeping your dignity, of not making yourself into an object.
I know about the lipstick; my mom is the same way. But it is really a pain to get out of the purificators. If you could choose the most washable kind possible for Sunday, it would be a help. (I think it must be the all-day kind that is so stubborn to get out.)
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qui_est_ce
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She went to a feminist “empowered woman” Catholic girls high school run by the Sisters of Loretto (not my choice). They stressed this into the girls. But it seems to no avail. At first I chalked it up to her having a dad (I’m divorced from him) who never spoke up when she dressed inappropriately. But the parents of the girls on the altar had intact (and as far as I could tell, good marriages). I don’t think she would believe me about men’s minds anyway. I do dress modestly, but I wear sleeveless in summer, but never to Sunday mass. I am more casual for daily mass, and will wear sleeveless and capris.
Oops, I only wear the all-day kind. I’ll have to ask my pastor about that.
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JanetF
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I’m all for modest dressing at all times. However, I have to wonder if Jesus would turn away someone wearing jeans in favor of someone wearing their “Sunday best”. As long as it’s modest, does he really care what we wear as long as we are there?
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brigid12
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