Rogation days are days of fasting and prayer against natural disasters. There were three of them in a row prior to Ascension Thursday. Ascension Thursday was followed by an octave, so Ascension was regarded as a tide within the Paschal liturgical season. Three days in preparation so to say and 8 days of rejoicing. (I should note that thru the indult this is still observed.)Rogation days?
in a church dedicated to a saint, fast and abstinence could be lifted for that parish on the feast day. If you had an Irish pastor, a free past on St. Paddy’s day for corned beef and cabbage was a gimme.what about those of us who are irish/ St. Patrick’s day is a feast day. What’s the rule for that?
Sounds like something we ought to observe down here. I vaguely remember these as a child.Rogation days are days of fasting and prayer against natural disasters. There were three of them in a row prior to Ascension Thursday. Ascension Thursday was followed by an octave, so Ascension was regarded as a tide within the Paschal liturgical season. Three days in preparation so to say and 8 days of rejoicing. (I should note that thru the indult this is still observed.)
It is up to the bishop to order a dispensation depending on the culture of the area.what about those of us who are irish/ St. Patrick’s day is a feast day. What’s the rule for that?
Thank you. I have marked those 3 days on my calendar as fasting days.Rogation days are days of fasting and prayer against natural disasters. There were three of them in a row prior to Ascension Thursday. Ascension Thursday was followed by an octave, so Ascension was regarded as a tide within the Paschal liturgical season. Three days in preparation so to say and 8 days of rejoicing. (I should note that thru the indult this is still observed.)
Rogation days and ember days were never fully removed from the calendar, they are optional under the current calendar. So it varies from diocese to diocese. I imagine that those who live at the foot of Mt. Etna in Sicily probably observe these days. You might want to bring this up with your bishop after all of hardships that New Orleans and its surrounding parishes went through.Sounds like something we ought to observe down here. I vaguely remember these as a child.
Rogation days are days of fasting and prayer against natural disasters. There were three of them in a row prior to Ascension Thursday. Ascension Thursday was followed by an octave, so Ascension was regarded as a tide within the Paschal liturgical season. Three days in preparation so to say and 8 days of rejoicing. (I should note that thru the indult this is still observed.)
That’s true, isn’t it? Especially considering the timing before hurricane season.Sounds like something we ought to observe down here. I vaguely remember these as a child.
I define “snacks” as any solid food between meals. I was taught snacking during a required fasting period is completely verboten.I am making the act of fasting a very important part of my lent. I understand that fasting is defined as one full meal with meat(on days other than Fridays) and two other small snacks that do not equal one full meal. My question is, what constitutes a full meal? Should these meals be of smaller portions during lent or is the one full meal quite significant. And also what are some examples of a typical snack that would be reasonable? I would like to hear from a more trafitonalist perspective the logistics of a good fast. Thank you for your help.
That should be Sundays and Solemnities. The Solemnities in Lent are the Annunciation [March 25] and Saint Joseph’s Day [March 19].Thank you BobP123. That’s basically what I thought about fasting on weekdays. Now I know Sunday and Feasts are not days of fasting, so does that mean meat can be consumed at multiple meals and three full meals may be eaten. I did read earlier that even on Sunday’s during lent fish and flesh should not be consumed at the same meal, but are there any other stipulations?
You know, I would love to pratice a Middle Ages Traditional Lent just once to see what it was like back in those days.Complete abstinence on Fridays, Ash Wednesday, and Holy Saturday morning. Complete abstinence means no meat or soup or gravy made from meat.
Fast on the weekdays of Lent. Fast means one full meal and two meatless meals, sufficient to maintain strength. The two additional meals may not equal another full meal. Meat may be taken at the principal meal on a day of fast (provided the day is not Ash Wednesday, a Friday, or Holy Saturday morning).
No eating between meals, but liquids, including milk and juice are allowed.
Beer and wine are allowed, but no hard alcohol.
Note that these were the rules back in the 1950s, which is what I assume you’re getting at.
The rules were much more strict in the 18th century, and even more strict in the Middle Ages. Google “Black Fast” on the Internet.
And peaceful Gregorian chants and/or sacred polyphony.You know, I would love to pratice a Middle Ages Traditional Lent just once to see what it was like back in those days.
Maybe I’ve watched too many Medieval movies with old style churches. Everything seemed so peaceful and quiet those days (save for raiding Vikings) - walking up from the village to the local stone walled chapel or church, overlooking the valley below where a larger medieval style town is, with a forest on the opposite side of the church, and a small church graveyard, small table with candles in the church, etc.
Yep, Gregorian Chants, too.And peaceful Gregorian chants and/or sacred polyphony.
I also came to realize that the majority did not have meat on a daily basis, except the nobility. Also dinner (the main meal of the day) took place around 3 in the afternoon and they would have a light meal in the evening (supper). So being allowed to eat only once a day and abstain from meat and animal products was probably not as hard for them as we think it is. Now a days people work until at least 5 at night and don’t have dinner until later.The ancient fasts sound very difficult. But if the bread were very rich, they might have been able to consume perhaps 700 calories on a fasting day. This would mean a daily deficit of 1300 calories on a typical 2000/day diet. One pound of flab = 3500 calories. This would mean that in one week, a person would lose about three pounds.
If they had a rich beer that might add another 300-500 calories. This would mean losing about two pounds per week. So, Lent would mean losing, say, ten pounds. Not unthinkable, I suppose. Sound about right?