"Traditional" Franciscans

[floresco]

I am interested in approved groups for laity using older versions of the secular Rule. Can anyone give me information about these? (Thanks to Iloveangels for info in another thread.)

 

[iloveangels]

I am interested in approved groups for laity using older versions of the secular Rule. Can anyone give me information about these? (Thanks to Iloveangels for info in another thread.)

Hi Floresco,

It’s me again.

There are several groups that you can check out and see how traditional they are.

Confraternity of Penitents: penitents.org/

Franciscans of the Immaculate: figuadalupe.wordpress.com/monthly-activities/mim-third-order/

There is John Michael Talbot’s group, although that’s no longer considered strictly Franciscan: littleportion.org/

The Capuchins of the Reform have a group of associates in Brooklyn, NY also. [Don’t know how far across the border you are.]

Now, the interesting part is: You generally have to be near a local group in order to be a member because you have to go to meetings once a month or something like that. Some of these do have many groups; some don’t. I see you are in Canada. You’d have to check to see if there are local groups for these organizations.

Some of the groups allow isolated members to join, but you’d have to check with the group to know that for sure. Some don’t allow it.

 

[iloveangels]

The BSP and Confaternity of Penitents started out as one group, split and were each refounded in about 2003 or something like that. You can have a look at them both because they still exist. I don’t know if the BSP has current approval or not. I believe the Confraternity of Penitents does have diocesan approval in Providence, Rhode Island. They use the Rule of 1221 with constitutions to apply it.

There are also Anglican and Lutheran third order Franciscans, believe it or not. So look carefully when you go to websites because that’s probably not what you want.

 

[floresco]

Some of the groups allow isolated members to join, but you’d have to check with the group to know that for sure. Some don’t allow it.

The group I know of that is seeking approval is in Toronto. I am hoping they will receive it and I can join them. I am already officially a member of an OFS fraternity so I would have to figure out how to transfer my membership. I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Thanks for all the information.

 

[iloveangels]

The group I know of that is seeking approval is in Toronto. I am hoping they will receive it and I can join them. I am already officially a member of an OFS fraternity so I would have to figure out how to transfer my membership. I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Thanks for all the information.

Okay, I’m a secular Franciscan too. You can’t just transfer your membership. The situation you’re describing is like the relationship between the Confraternity of Penitents and the SFO.

The SFO doesn 't allow you to be a member of it and another 3rd order at the same time. This isn’t at all unusual for third orders. People who want to spend time with another group like the Confraternity of Penitents simply get their newsletters and so on, but stay in the SFO. If they actually want to move to the other group - instead of the SFO - then they have to resign from the SFO formally, and then join the other one formally, going through their formation and all that. There is no path you can use to just transfer.

The reason for this that the SFO and these other groups are different canonically and they’re not related legally in such a way that allows this. The SFO is Pontifical Right and it’s an Order; the one you’re describing would be something like a Public Association of the Faithful Diocesan Right, I believe. Anyway, they’re different legally so that you can’t just move from one to the other just like that without resigning from one, and joining the other (unless you’re just visiting).

 

[iloveangels]

Floresco,
Does the organization you’re referring to have a webpage?

 

[floresco]

Floresco,
Does the organization you’re referring to have a webpage?

No there is no webpage. I think it is waiting for official status before having one.

The SFO doesn 't allow you to be a member of it and another 3rd order at the same time. This isn’t at all unusual for third orders. People who want to spend time with another group like the Confraternity of Penitents simply get their newsletters and so on, but stay in the SFO. If they actually want to move to the other group - instead of the SFO - then they have to resign from the SFO formally, and then join the other one formally, going through their formation and all that. There is no path you can use to just transfer.

I was afraid it would be something like that. Oh well, there is no point worrying about it now. Other things have to fall into place first.

 

[Giuseppe_Gavino]

Hi Floresco,

It’s me again.

There are several groups that you can check out and see how traditional they are.

Confraternity of Penitents: penitents.org/

Franciscans of the Immaculate: figuadalupe.wordpress.com/monthly-activities/mim-third-order/

There is John Michael Talbot’s group, although that’s no longer considered strictly Franciscan: littleportion.org/

The Capuchins of the Reform have a group of associates in Brooklyn, NY also. [Don’t know how far across the border you are.]

Now, the interesting part is: You generally have to be near a local group in order to be a member because you have to go to meetings once a month or something like that. Some of these do have many groups; some don’t. I see you are in Canada. You’d have to check to see if there are local groups for these organizations.

Some of the groups allow isolated members to join, but you’d have to check with the group to know that for sure. Some don’t allow it.

Thank you for the links, this was helpful.

 

[iloveangels]

Thank you for the links, this was helpful.

You’re welcome.