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palmas85
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So let me get this right, you are saying that all the things I mentioned you saw happen?
And I grew up pre Vatican II as well.
As far as rose colored glasses, I think maybe you have a pair or two yourself
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And I grew up pre Vatican II as well.
As far as rose colored glasses, I think maybe you have a pair or two yourself
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brotherhrolf
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dbacks5439
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When I re-read my post, I asked myself, “Did I write that!?” I love being at the Tridentine Mass and it is easy to follow along in the Missal. In fact, I just got my Missal from Baronius Press. Perhaps what went on in the decades before Vat. II is that people (not all, but a large enough number) somehow lost the meaning of the Mass. Some of those people became Bishops and Cardinals and created a Mass without having the knowledge of what the Mass represents. We now see my generation grasping for meaning and not finding it in the NO. We are finding it in the TLM and Pope Benedict XVI is letting us have it.
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dbacks5439
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I can reflect better in the TLM becauseI have a question for those who prefer the Latin Mass.
When you reflect on the meaning of the Mass, do you reflect in your language, or in Latin?
Jim
A.) No one talks.
B.) It was the Mass that numerous saints have known all their lives, so I feel closer to them
C.) Mass is said in Latin, and Satan hates Latin. Keeps him at bay and allows me to focus
D.) Latin is a liturgical language. One wonders why nobody complains at a Eastern DL where it is in Greek or Syriac or Aramaic. Not vernacular languages, and yet people don’t complain. They must know the real purpose of having a liturgical language. Also, they don’t reflect on the Liturgy in the liturgical language, but in their own language. No problem there.
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brotherhrolf
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Beloved brother from our sunken city. Evidently, we did not experience what we experienced. Yo, we are of an age, we are from the same city, we experienced the same things, and we are wrong. The evil Dr. Bela Lugosi planted memories in our minds in that we did not experience what we thought we experienced. Our memories of growing up in New Orleans before Vatican II are implants. We didn’t experience what we experienced because it didn’t happen. Bela Lugosi implanted memories :yup: We didn’t follow the Mass; we didn’t participate; all we did was recite our rosaries. Did we do it in Latin or did we do it in English?
I’ve had it. Either I was completely delusional as a child or y’all are forwarding your agenda. The myth must die. I’ve had it. I will stand on the front stairs of the cathedral and cry out…
We kept our mouths shut in obedience to the magisterium of HMC. You didn’t protest MHC in 1969.
Sigh. It’s not going to do one iota’s worth of good. I have such differnet memories of the time. Sigh.
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brotherhrolf
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Perhaps what went on in the decades before Vat. II is that people (not all, but a large enough number) somehow lost the meaning of the Mass.e people became Bishops and Cardinals and created a Mass without having the knowledge of what the Mass represents. .
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brotherhrolf
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You know? I just don’t have the patience tonight to reply. I will say this -…It is a complete myth that we did not know what was going on. Period! Exclamation point~
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JimR-OCDS
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Had that Mass been in English, would your reflection been easier, or more difficult?
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brotherhrolf
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You want the honest truth? The honest truth is that we (meaning us in the US) had already transitioned to the NO. My spoken Spanish is weak to say the least. I can read Spanish fairly fluently. I went off by myself exploring. Came across a local church and went inside. Father came out of the sacristy and aked me (in Spanish) who I was. I told him that I was Catholic and that I had been an altar boy. He asked me: Introibo ad altare Dei. To which I answered “Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam” Catholic to Catholic, Jim. Priest to altar boy.
Father showed me all around the church which was over a thousand years old. El Greco masterpieces not to mention the exquisite chalices, patens, etc. he showed me.
I can manage in spoken Spanish, Jim. But the look of delight on the priest’s face when I could respond in Latin will go with me to my grave. This Franco-Irish American kid could go to Europe and be 100% “Catholic”. We really were “universal” back then. Can’t say the same today.
Father showed me all around the church which was over a thousand years old. El Greco masterpieces not to mention the exquisite chalices, patens, etc. he showed me.
I can manage in spoken Spanish, Jim. But the look of delight on the priest’s face when I could respond in Latin will go with me to my grave. This Franco-Irish American kid could go to Europe and be 100% “Catholic”. We really were “universal” back then. Can’t say the same today.
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maggieodae
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Very true. We knew what was going on and participated. Now it can be a bit difficult if you visit a parish that is Vietnamese, or Spanish etc. I still know basically whats going on, but in Latin I never got lost.
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lak611
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Do you have any idea if parishes in Europe are offering more EF Masses since the Motu Proprio was released?
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brotherhrolf
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I could go to a NO in Latin and be able to participate. We get a lot of French and Quebecois tourists here during the summer. It’s fairly obvious they have no idea what is going on…Forty years ago it would not have been a problem. A Catholic could go anywhere in the world and participate at Mass - except, of course, that we didn’t know what we were saying…
Laura, I don’t know. Perhaps, one of our European posters could enlighten us.
Laura, I don’t know. Perhaps, one of our European posters could enlighten us.
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hasikelee
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St. Gregory the Great was my chosen saint for Confirmation, until at the dear age of 10 I was informed I had to choose a girl saint.
I am not arguing for one or the other, but had to say…it follows that if you believe the Holy Spirit lead the church from the time immediately after Jesus to the TLM, then the NO Mass would be the next production of liturgy that you should support over the TLM, no?
I think it would be beautiful if they could say the TLM in the (now) vernacular, keeping the practices, just changing the language. That would definitely allow more people to participate in the Mass as well.
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Cracker_Mom
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I occasionally attend Latin Mass & when I do it reminds me how much more beautiful the words of the prayers are.
The Maronite Catholic Mass is beautiful, too. We have a universal Church & have many options in how we worship.
We have a weekly Latin Mass now in our area & can attend & still belong to our home parish.
(If we sing “Gather Us In” or the like one more time at our parish I may make that weekly drive to the Latin Mass.)
The Maronite Catholic Mass is beautiful, too. We have a universal Church & have many options in how we worship.
We have a weekly Latin Mass now in our area & can attend & still belong to our home parish.
(If we sing “Gather Us In” or the like one more time at our parish I may make that weekly drive to the Latin Mass.)
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jblake
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Cracker Mom:
I attended a Tridentine Mass, in Latin, almost forty years ago. I haven’t attended a Roman Catholic Mass between then and a few weeks ago.
To say I was disappointed in the spiritual quality of the mass I recently attended would be a major understatement.
(There is concept in Judaism of לשון הרע. Anything I say about the mass I recently attended would fall into that category.)
Maybe my memory of attending the Tridentine Mass is faulty.
The Tridentine Mass I remember was a beautiful, spiritual experience. A magical moment in time. The way I wish the church I attended did things.
I read the text of the Tridentine Mass (in Latin), and feel a sanctification that I don’t get when reading the more recent versions — regardless of the language of the recent version.
But then, I’m not Roman Catholic. My opinion probably counts for nought.
xan
jonathon
I’m not Roman Catholic.
I attended a Tridentine Mass, in Latin, almost forty years ago. I haven’t attended a Roman Catholic Mass between then and a few weeks ago.
To say I was disappointed in the spiritual quality of the mass I recently attended would be a major understatement.
(There is concept in Judaism of לשון הרע. Anything I say about the mass I recently attended would fall into that category.)
Maybe my memory of attending the Tridentine Mass is faulty.
The Tridentine Mass I remember was a beautiful, spiritual experience. A magical moment in time. The way I wish the church I attended did things.
I read the text of the Tridentine Mass (in Latin), and feel a sanctification that I don’t get when reading the more recent versions — regardless of the language of the recent version.
But then, I’m not Roman Catholic. My opinion probably counts for nought.
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JoeyWarren
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What makes the Tridentine Mass more spiritual?
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jblake
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Other than saying “when I read the Tridentine Mass aloud I feel as if God is next to me, whilst when I read the more recent Masses aloud, I don’t feel God next to me.”
The only theory I’ve found, that explains the difference can be found in the Neophyte Grade papers of The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. (I strongly suspect that discussing that theory would be off topic everywhere on this website.)
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JoeyWarren
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Is there an “Order of the Mass” for the “Tridentine Mass” on line or a Missalette for the TM online?
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lak611
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Here is one you can print out.
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JoeyWarren
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