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AJV
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I’m looking for websites where one can get the translations of the Propers of the Traditional Mass and, if possible, other rites as well. For now, Italian, French, German, Spanish and Portuguese would be really helpful.
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OraLabora
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I suppose the exception confirms the rule but the TLM has exceptionally been offered in languages other than Latin since before Vatican II. For example Church Slavonic was authorized in some Slavic countries. I believe there were also exceptions in some missions, including to North American Natives.
However missable can certainly have other languages alongside the Latin to facilitate comprehension.
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wasserfall
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This is pretty much the definition of a snarky, useless comment.
By definition, Hamlet is in English and yet it is still possible to find translations.
To the original poster: I don’t personally know of any translations available online except for those available in out of copyright books at google books. For example (German):
books.google.com/books?id=iL4PAAAAIAAJ&dq=messbuch&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q&f=false
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ProVobis
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But most of these were different rites/liturgies, no?
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malphono
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Well, the so-called “Glagolitic Missal” used in parts of Dalmatia was exactly the Missale Romanum translated into Old Church Slavonic. IIRC, it used the old Glagolitic script, hence the name. BTW, in the parts of Dalmatia and Croatia where it was not authorized for use, Mass was in Latin.
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TheExorcist
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Wasn’t the “traditional” language of the Divine Liturgy Church Slavonic?
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malphono
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Yes, but only in the Slavic parts of Eastern Europe. There were problems with the imposition of OCS among the Magyars of Hungary (definitely not a Slavic people). Ultimately, it reverted to Greek and then moved on to Magyar.
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ProVobis
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Yes, as opposed to the Newer/Reformed (1970) Latin Mass, which is rarely said in Latin.
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AJV
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I could have possibly been more clear. I am looking for translations of the Latin texts. i.e. just as there are Latin-English missals, I imagine there are Latin-Spanish, Latin-Italian, etc. for people in those countries. I would like those translations and was wondering if there is a website where they could be found a la the websites that have English translations of the propers for e.g. maternalheart.org/propers.html
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AJV
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Thanks wasserfall – exactly what I was looking for. Unfortunately, I don’t have good facility in German (yet) as I do for French, Spanish and Italian…is that very archaic, or would it be intelligible (and not ridiculous) to a modern German speaker?
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thistle
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Personal attacks are forbidden under forum rules so I hope you have the common courtesy to apologise!
My comment was genuine. The main theme of TLM advocates is that it is in Latin and not the vernacular. I was curious as to why there might be TLM Masses in the vernacular.
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wasserfall
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The person who started the thread never asked about traditional masses in the vernacular.
He asked for translations of the traditional mass:
How is it possible to read that and think he was looking for vernacular celebrations of the traditional mass?
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thistle
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I see you are not willing to apologise for the personal attack!
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wasserfall
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I don’t really know what to say.
The comment was certainly useless.
It certainly seemed snarky, but you are apparently claiming that it wasn’t intended to be so, but instead it was just the result of a serious misunderstanding of the original post.
So, ok. I apologize for saying that your comment was snarky.
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ConstantineTG
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The Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom was originally written in Greek.
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thistle
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Is that a joke???
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wasserfall
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Ok. I misunderstood your comment. I apologize.
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