Traditional non-Tridentine Rites in Vernacular

[ASimpleSinner]

Well it’s pretty safe to say that the NO is here to stay, and the Tridentine Mass will always be a thing of the past. Only remembered, when we listen to our Gregorian Chant cd’s, or classical music. The Roman Catholic Bishops and Archbishops in this world could care less, and will only allow it in certain churches very infrequently to cater to a few. The liberal Roman Catholics, who have the money to feed into the church have the say. What they want they get!. Like I have stated before The Orthodox Church and the Divine Liturgy is a blessing for those of us who can only dream of the Roman Rite of the past but want to worship God today in a very sacred, and mystical way.

So says the Orthodox partisan! Please accept my apologies for coming to this forum lately, if it has been discussed already, but how recently have you abjured Rome in favor of the seperated Eastern Church?

Forgiveness, please, but will you kindly be the one to tell the priests and seminarians of the FSSP & Institute of Christ the King (with a combined membership of around 380+ priests & seminarians) with an average age of 33, that they are a thing of the past?

It may or may not be the case that the TLM is or is not to be the normanative experience of the Mass for Catholics of the Latin Church in the future, but “the Tridentine Mass will always be a thing of the past”? That is, at best, your personal speculation, and current vocations numbers - indicating strong growth, don’t support it.

I am not trying to be cruff or snipe, but if it were just a matter of your liturgical sensibilites being offended in the west and consoled in the East, you had two Catholic choices: Join up witht the TLM folks to nurture re-newewl of the TLM, or merrily support your local Eastern Catholic to be nurtured by the Divine Liturgy.

When you write in another forum:

bkovacs:

Considering that before the schism of 1054 their was a Pentarchy. First being Rome, then Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, and finally Constantinople. That met at Ecumenical Councils, not Latin Councils. And now it’s Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Russia, etcc. Seems to show that Rome left Orthodoxy. It could be argued that the East and West just simply went their own ways, which is how I feel. But we did give the Patriarch of Rome primacy of honor. Not complete Primacy, based off a verse in the Bible, as most Roman Catholics misinterperate. Remember the New Testament was written in Greek way before it was written in Latin. And the majority of Christians now living in the Mediterranean and the Middle East are either Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox. You figure it out!.

At least you show your true colors.

Lets be open and honest about who and what we are. Playing a whisper campaign in another communion’s forum is hardly becoming.

 

[Caesar]

Well it’s pretty safe to say that the NO is here to stay, and the Tridentine Mass will always be a thing of the past. Only remembered, when we listen to our Gregorian Chant cd’s, or classical music. The Roman Catholic Bishops and Archbishops in this world could care less, and will only allow it in certain churches very infrequently to cater to a few. The liberal Roman Catholics, who have the money to feed into the church have the say. What they want they get!. Like I have stated before The Orthodox Church and the Divine Liturgy is a blessing for those of us who can only dream of the Roman Rite of the past but want to worship God today in a very sacred, and mystical way.

Hardly a thing of the past at all! Why, the movement for the Classical Latin Mass is growing at a very fast paced, led by young, vibrant priests. Even in the rest of the Church, the younger generation of priests are quite orthodox and willing to return to traditional practices. Some Bishops are also starting to come around- I hear that in St. Louis the Archbishop has the Diocesan seminarians trained in both the Novus Ordo and the Old Rite!

And if a Catholic feels drawn to the traditions of the Easterns, then they may join one of the Eastern Catholic Churches in full communion with the Sovereign Pontiff.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

And if a Catholic feels drawn to the traditions of the Easterns, then they may join one of the Eastern Catholic Churches in full communion with the Sovereign Pontiff.

Amen. That’s where I am. Thanks Grandma for exposing us to it - I think I would have wandered farther still without her to show us this vibrant expression of our faith. 14 years later, I never looked back.

BTW, thanks for calling us churches, not rites!

 

[JLSacred]

The trouble with both the Tridentine and Eastern rites is availability. I’d like to see both of them within a reasonable distance of most Catholics, and not a terrible inconvenience as they are today. Fortunately, my parish conducts a very reverant Novus Ordo Mass, where many receive on their knees, and most receive on their tongues. It would be totally impractical for our family to drive to a Latin or Eastern Mass.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

The Ambrosian Rite was “revised” after the NO came out, from which it is now almost indistinguishable except for a few parts . Prior to Vatican II, the Ambrosian Rite, like the Roman Rite was in Latin (except for a few Greek parts, namely the several Kyrie’s throughout the Mass).

Truly unfortunate. I knew there had been revisions but I didn’t realize they were so far reaching.