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Hello all and Happy New Year…

I was browsing through the forums yesterday when I stumbled upon this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=547104 so I posted a link to this site that has a nice PDF version of the traditional Rosary. Anyway, did not realize that the thread was 4 years old, so I am just posting this here in case anyone finds it useful.

go to latinritemass.net and scroll to the bottom.
 
Out of curiousity, what’s wrong with the Luminous Mysteries. They are based on the biblical mysteries?
 
Out of curiousity, what’s wrong with the Luminous Mysteries. They are based on the biblical mysteries?
Hi’ for tradition Catholics, like myself, the luminous mysteries are not essential to the rosary itself. Our Lady gave us 15 mysteries of the rosary and these additional five are not from the Blessed Virgin but from Pope John Paul II. It also goes back to the original intent of the rosary, modeled after the psalter which contains the 150 psalms ergo the 150 Paters.

Pax
 
Hi’ for tradition Catholics, like myself, the luminous mysteries are not essential to the rosary itself. Our Lady gave us 15 mysteries of the rosary and these additional five are not from the Blessed Virgin but from Pope John Paul II. It also goes back to the original intent of the rosary, modeled after the psalter which contains the 150 psalms ergo the 150 Paters.

Pax
I’d like to think of the luminous mysteries as from Our Blessed Mother through Saint John Paul II. Perhaps, in some future, Vatican-approved apparition, Our Lady will express her approval of this latest “addition.”

That the luminous mysteries are not essential, in the sense of what Our Lady has blessed in Church-approved apparitions, I must agree with you, As to the history of the rosary, although the rosary may have been modeled after the recitation of the 150 psalms, I’m not so sure any of its essence is caught up in that practice or number, except in the general sense of helping us reach a higher state of spiritual consciousness and faith, but more so in its leading us to reflect on the life of Christ through His Mother’s eyes,

True, if we say a 15-decade rosary, we have said a complete rosary. But, too, if we say a 20-decade rosary, we have said a complete rosary. If the essence of the rosary is found in the meditation on the life of Christ, I would judge the luminous mysterious by whether or not they help us in this practice so greatly endorsed by Our Lady. Speaking only for myself, I find the luminous mysteries as adding to the original rosary, that is, expanding the original rosary. In no way do I find them detracting from, nor neutral to, the original rosary, nor do I believe you are saying they do or are. I wish that all would say the rosary each day, either the 15-decade rosary or the 20-decade rosary. I believe in my heart that Our Blessed Mother wishes us to do so, as well.

This is a discussion, not an argument, but I believe you’ll agree that Our Lady will have the last word. I suspect we’ll both be proven right.

PS-- Did you mean “the 150 Aves”?
 
I’d like to think of the luminous mysteries as from Our Blessed Mother through Saint John Paul II. Perhaps, in some future, Vatican-approved apparition, Our Lady will express her approval of this latest “addition.”

That the luminous mysteries are not essential, in the sense of what Our Lady has blessed in Church-approved apparitions, I must agree with you, As to the history of the rosary, although the rosary may have been modeled after the recitation of the 150 psalms, I’m not so sure any of its essence is caught up in that practice or number, except in the general sense of helping us reach a higher state of spiritual consciousness and faith, but more so in its leading us to reflect on the life of Christ through His Mother’s eyes,

True, if we say a 15-decade rosary, we have said a complete rosary. But, too, if we say a 20-decade rosary, we have said a complete rosary. If the essence of the rosary is found in the meditation on the life of Christ, I would judge the luminous mysterious by whether or not they help us in this practice so greatly endorsed by Our Lady. Speaking only for myself, I find the luminous mysteries as adding to the original rosary, that is, expanding the original rosary. In no way do I find them detracting from, nor neutral to, the original rosary, nor do I believe you are saying they do or are. I wish that all would say the rosary each day, either the 15-decade rosary or the 20-decade rosary. I believe in my heart that Our Blessed Mother wishes us to do so, as well.

This is a discussion, not an argument, but I believe you’ll agree that Our Lady will have the last word. I suspect we’ll both be proven right.

PS-- Did you mean “the 150 Aves”?
Hi,

Yes I do mean the 150 Aves. Sorry my mind got a bit off track when I was typing this. Haha.

I agree that we will have to leave this up to the Blessed Virgin herself, but as for me I will continue to pray the 15 decade rosary as traditionally taught.

I would rather argue for people to pray the rosary more than to argue the tiny details of an additional five mysteries. What I think is, if they are beneficial to someone’s spiritual life, let them pray them. I tend to personally get confused and mix them up when I pray them so I stick to my traditional rosary.

We all need to pray the rosary every day. Something I struggle and fail at very often. I look at my rosary beads sitting on my desk right now next to me and think, everyone has the fifteen minutes a day when they are not doing anything to offer to the Lord through theBlessed Virgin. I always tried to pray the whole 15 decades a day, but it always got too much for me and I eventually stopped. I need to work my way to that devotion so badly, but I don’t know how it would work into my college student lifestyle.

God bless you and may we all grow in a devotion to the rosary!
 
Hi,

Yes I do mean the 150 Aves. Sorry my mind got a bit off track when I was typing this. Haha.

I agree that we will have to leave this up to the Blessed Virgin herself, but as for me I will continue to pray the 15 decade rosary as traditionally taught.

I would rather argue for people to pray the rosary more than to argue the tiny details of an additional five mysteries. What I think is, if they are beneficial to someone’s spiritual life, let them pray them. I tend to personally get confused and mix them up when I pray them so I stick to my traditional rosary.

We all need to pray the rosary every day. Something I struggle and fail at very often. I look at my rosary beads sitting on my desk right now next to me and think, everyone has the fifteen minutes a day when they are not doing anything to offer to the Lord through theBlessed Virgin. I always tried to pray the whole 15 decades a day, but it always got too much for me and I eventually stopped. I need to work my way to that devotion so badly, but I don’t know how it would work into my college student lifestyle.

God bless you and may we all grow in a devotion to the rosary!
I know what you mean about the difficulty reciting the rosary daily, and I too have purposed to say all 15 decades only to fail. Yet St. (Padre) Pio was said to say 35 rosaries a day. He referred to it as THE WEAPON.

One thought that has encouraged me is the “sacrificial” aspect of the rosary. For me, it is often like “pulling teeth” to get the words out. Some reasons: distractions abound, focus is difficult if not impossible to maintain, and sometimes I just draw a blank trying to meditate on the mystery/scene/meaning. This is what I mean by the sacrificial aspect. It’s just plain hard. But I think this is part of the virtue of the rosary, as opposed to other prayers and devotions.

Another thing that has encouraged me is that if I force myself to say the rosary For an extended period of time I often find myself elevated to a higher spiritual state, finding it easier to continue.

I trust St. Pio’s words that it is THE WEAPON. After all, he’s a saint! And a modern one, at that! Plus we know how Mary has recommended it to us by way of apparitions worthy of belief, and how so many saints and popes have recommended it. I know I’m preaching to the choir. I will just keep trying to incorporate more rosary into my daily life.

Lastly, in this most unlikely period in history, I believe that Mary’s promise of a period of peace may be just around the corner. Considering the times, if not now, when? And what better time than during this jubilee year of mercy! Whoever said that Christians are eternal optimists got it exactly right IMHO. There is always something great to look forward to!
 
Hi’ for tradition Catholics, like myself, the luminous mysteries are not essential to the rosary itself. Our Lady gave us 15 mysteries of the rosary and these additional five are not from the Blessed Virgin but from Pope John Paul II. It also goes back to the original intent of the rosary, modeled after the psalter which contains the 150 psalms ergo the 150 Paters.

Pax
The Luminous Mysteries are the public ministry of Jesus. They make the Rosary complete.
 
Hi,

Yes I do mean the 150 Aves. Sorry my mind got a bit off track when I was typing this. Haha.

I agree that we will have to leave this up to the Blessed Virgin herself, but as for me I will continue to pray the 15 decade rosary as traditionally taught.

I would rather argue for people to pray the rosary more than to argue the tiny details of an additional five mysteries. What I think is, if they are beneficial to someone’s spiritual life, let them pray them. I tend to personally get confused and mix them up when I pray them so I stick to my traditional rosary.

We all need to pray the rosary every day. Something I struggle and fail at very often. I look at my rosary beads sitting on my desk right now next to me and think, everyone has the fifteen minutes a day when they are not doing anything to offer to the Lord through theBlessed Virgin. I always tried to pray the whole 15 decades a day, but it always got too much for me and I eventually stopped. I need to work my way to that devotion so badly, but I don’t know how it would work into my college student lifestyle.

God bless you and may we all grow in a devotion to the rosary!
St John Paul’s Luminous Mystery’s are part of Catholic tradition. For me, it is misleading to say you’ll stick with the traditional rosary. The teaching of the Pope’s is are part of tradition.

Tradition surely didn’t stop developing in the mid-60’s
 
Out of curiousity, what’s wrong with the Luminous Mysteries. They are based on the biblical mysteries?
Nothing is wrong with them… They are like the Fatima prayer… Optional.

Prayer should suit your spirituality and not all are drawn or called to this particular devotion.
 
As a point of information to those who say they prefer the traditional Rosary without the Luminous Mysteries because, among other reasons, it has 150 Hail Mary’s they are wrong. If you complete a whole Rosary prior to the Luminous Mysteries there are 153 Hail Mary’s.
I would equate that to the miracle of the 153 fish caught by the Apostles after Jesus’ resurrection symbolising that many people would be converted by the Apostles.
 
Hello all and Happy New Year…

I was browsing through the forums yesterday when I stumbled upon this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=547104 so I posted a link to this site that has a nice PDF version of the traditional Rosary. Anyway, did not realize that the thread was 4 years old, so I am just posting this here in case anyone finds it useful.

go to latinritemass.net and scroll to the bottom.
Thank you for sharing the link to the Traditional Rosary. I especially appreciate that it also has the prayers in Latin.
 
As a point of information to those who say they prefer the traditional Rosary without the Luminous Mysteries because, among other reasons, it has 150 Hail Mary’s they are wrong. If you complete a whole Rosary prior to the Luminous Mysteries there are 153 Hail Mary’s.
I would equate that to the miracle of the 153 fish caught by the Apostles after Jesus’ resurrection symbolising that many people would be converted by the Apostles.
Hi there,
I understand your argument, but I and other traditionalist Catholics are not making up the tradition of 150 Aves as in the Psalter. Look at the original history of the rosary. The first Three are not part of the main body, or canon of the rosary itself, but serve as an almost introduction to the Rosary.
 
The Luminous Mysteries are the public ministry of Jesus. They make the Rosary complete.
As others have pointed out, this assumes that the Rosary was not revealed to St. Dominic by the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Now, personally speaking, I can sympathize with that view: incredibly intelligent, educated, and orthodox Catholics are perfectly entitled to have it, and it’s probably the most common these days.

But I, like others, hold to the traditional understanding of the Rosary as being revealed to St. Dominic in its entirety.

Now, it’s true that a Pope and a Saint gave us the Luminious mysteries, and I think they’re absolutely wonderful and shouldn’t be treated like trash, as some folks seem to do.

But, IMHO, it should be kept in mind that the Luminous mysteries are a valid *alternative *, and that we shouldn’t undermine them anymore than we should undermine the reality that the Rosary itself has only three mystery sets.

For a good article, I recommend the extremely well-balanced Taylor Marshall, who surely has a conservative- and traditional-friendly approach in just about everything he does: taylormarshall.com/2013/08/did-mary-give-the-rosary-to-dominic.html
 
As a point of information to those who say they prefer the traditional Rosary without the Luminous Mysteries because, among other reasons, it has 150 Hail Mary’s they are wrong. If you complete a whole Rosary prior to the Luminous Mysteries there are 153 Hail Mary’s.
I would equate that to the miracle of the 153 fish caught by the Apostles after Jesus’ resurrection symbolising that many people would be converted by the Apostles.
I agree, the link to the miracle of the 153 fish *has *been seen as a Scriptural and mystical reference to the Rosary. 👍

Having said that, “the Rosary” consists of 15 Pater Nosters and 150 Ave Marias prayed while meditating on the traditional mysteries. The Dominicans even today, as far as I can recall, don’t include the three initial Aves, but have a different set of prayers they recite. But any additional prayers are not the essence of what “the Rosary” entails.

This latter fact also applies to the Luminous mysteries — again, IMHO. The Luminous mysteries are not part of “the Rosary,” but an incredibly holy and authoritative man gave them to us, and they are perfectly legitimate as a form of devotion.
 
Hi’ for tradition Catholics, like myself, the luminous mysteries are not essential to the rosary itself. Our Lady gave us 15 mysteries of the rosary and these additional five are not from the Blessed Virgin but from Pope John Paul II. It also goes back to the original intent of the rosary, modeled after the psalter which contains the 150 psalms ergo the 150 Paters.

Pax
Even the Dominicans are dismissive of the legend that Mary gave the Rosary to St Dominic. Historians trace it back to 150 Pater Noster’s which the uneducated peasants said as an imitation of the monks’ recitation of the Psalms, and the Rosary went through permutations over time.

And as it is a private devotion, one is completely justified in saying it in the fashion which fits the individual; if not saying the Luminous Mysteries suits one, that is fine; and if they are included, that is fine too. And if the various mysteries are said out of “order”, that, too is fine.
 
Hi’ for tradition Catholics, like myself, the luminous mysteries are not essential to the rosary itself. Our Lady gave us 15 mysteries of the rosary and these additional five are not from the Blessed Virgin but from Pope John Paul II. It also goes back to the original intent of the rosary, modeled after the psalter which contains the 150 psalms ergo the 150 Paters.
It’s important to say that the rosary itself is not essential: it’s a private devotion, albeit cherished & venerable for the Latin rite. The Liturgy of the Hours (LOTH), for example, is not a private devotion but the celebration of the public prayer of the Church, even recited individually. Thanks to the reform of the liturgy, it’s accessible to all who can read. It exists in the vernacular; its use is to be encouraged above all private devotion. It’s what the rosary was substituting for, after all. Still, there are those for whom the LOTH is not best suited or it can be augmented by praying the rosary.

The matter here discussed is the form of the Dominican rosary. There are many rosaries in the Roman Church…the Franciscan Crown of Our Lady’s Seven Joys. The Servite Rosary of Our Lady’s Seven Sorrows. The six decade Brigittine rosary worn on the habits of Carmelites, to name a few. Each of these have a supernatural event associated with them…which is, of course, not the determiner of theological soundness or being instituted a sacramental.

The true esteem to be shown to sacramentals doesn’t come from whether or not they have an alleged heavenly origin. It rests with the Magisterium and the judgement the Church makes. Taking the example of habits and scapulars, it’s alleged that there is a heavenly origin associated with the Carmelite and Dominican habits. There is none such associated with the Benedictine & Cistercian habits…or indeed most religious habits.

It’s the Church which constitutes all religious habits to be sacramentals for religious (or the scapulars laity wear, associated with religious). The Carmelite scapular is not more a sacramental for an alleged vision than the Benedictine scapular…both were instituted by the Church without regard to whether or not there was a vision.

This important theological point was articulated by the Council Fathers at Vatican II in Sacrosanctum Concilium. As to how sacramentals come into being in the Church, the Fathers declared in paragraph 60: “Holy Mother Church has, moreover, instituted sacramentals. These are sacred signs which bear a resemblance to the sacraments: they signify effects, particularly of a spiritual kind, which are obtained through the Church’s intercession. By them men are disposed to receive the chief effect of the sacraments, and various occasions in life are rendered holy.” They went on to say
*79 The sacramentals are to undergo a revision which takes into account the primary principle of enabling the faithful to participate intelligently, actively, and easily; the circumstances of our own days must also be considered. When rituals are revised, as laid down in Art. 63, new sacramentals may also be added as the need for these becomes apparent.

/…/

Let provision be made that some sacramentals, at least in special circumstances and at the discretion of the ordinary, may be administered by qualified lay persons.*
When sacramentals allege to have a supernatural origin, such as the medal given to St. Catherine Laboure, the Church is approving the sacramental apart from an alleged supernatural manifestation…it is approving (or failing to approve) based on the soundness of the theology the sacramental itself presents.

A supernatural origin is always the manifestation of a charism. As Lumen Gentium makes clear, however, charisms are subordinate to the apostolic gift the Church has and holds…the apostles and their successors who constitute the hierarchy of the Church.
The Church, which the Spirit guides in way of all truth and which He unified in communion and in works of ministry, He both equips and directs with hierarchical and charismatic gifts and adorns with His fruits. /…/ What has a special place among these gifts is the grace of the apostles to whose authority the Spirit Himself subjected even those who were endowed with charisms.
The rosary, therefore, is not something once given by Our Lady and altered by the Pope. It is, in fact, always under the domain of the Magisterium who first instituted it, can alter it, and can suppress it. The luminous mysteries, theologically, are as much the rosary as the other sets of mysteries.

Quite correctly theologically, when Blessed Pope Paul VI was speaking in Marialis Cultus about the origin of the rosary, he did not reference a private revelation but the form given to the Rosary by his predecessor, Pope St. Pius V, since it is the Church who institutes and gives form and alters sacramentals by her proper power.

The Blessed’s splendid theological reflections on the rosary may be found notably in paragraphs 42-55 and should be read by all.

w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/apost_exhortations/documents/hf_p-vi_exh_19740202_marialis-cultus.html

It was the exercise of this power that allowed Pope St. Pius X to institute the scapular medal and commute all the effects of wearing one or all the scapulars in which one had been duly invested to the wearing of the one medal. Pope St. John Paul II used the prerogative to alter the form of the rosary.

When, in my priesthood, I say the rosary publicly in a group, I specifically choose the luminous mysteries before all others. Not only is it a way to meditate on the mysteries from Christ’s public ministry, it’s an occasion to confess that the greatness of the rosary is that it was, is, and will always be a gift of the Church through the hierarchical gift: the apostolic college & its head, the bishop of Rome.
 
Thanks for posting the link!

I definitely have a difficult time getting in a rosary every day. I think I’m going to laminate this and hang it in the shower. Better than cat-screeching I call singing 😃
 
Even the Dominicans are dismissive of the legend that Mary gave the Rosary to St Dominic. Historians trace it back to 150 Pater Noster’s which the uneducated peasants said as an imitation of the monks’ recitation of the Psalms, and the Rosary went through permutations over time.

And as it is a private devotion, one is completely justified in saying it in the fashion which fits the individual; if not saying the Luminous Mysteries suits one, that is fine; and if they are included, that is fine too. And if the various mysteries are said out of “order”, that, too is fine.
(to go with this, here was a post from a few years ago that Bro Jay said about the Rosary as we know it. He too points out that the Dominicans dismiss the idea that Our Lady gave it to St Dominic, but explains how the Rosary continued to develop with the influnence of him)

(This was Bro Jay’s post)
  1. There is an assumption that the Rosary is required prayer in order to have a Marian cult. This is not true. The Rosary is a very powerful prayer, but the Church has had a Marian cult since the second century. It began in the East when Mary was first referred to as Thetokos.
  2. People are speaking about Dominicans, Carmelites and Franciscans as if they had gone through their formation programs. Some lay members may have, the vast majority of people here have not. Let’s clarify. All three of these orders is very Marian. None of them have the rosary as part of their life of prayer. It is a private devotion that the friars may use or not use. The orders have no authority to impose it. These orders impose: daily mass, Divine Office, Lectio Divina and mental prayer. The rest is up to the individual. In some houses, by agreement, the friars gather to pray the rosary. That’s an agreement, not a mandate.
  3. Along the same lines, the Carmelites, Franciscans and Dominicans predate the rosary as we know it.** Contrary to popular opinion, the Dominican Order itself has publicly stated that Our Lady did not give the Rosary to St. Dominic. There is a nice article about it by the Dominicans on Catholic Answers.** They explain how that misconception came to be. It was a Dominican friar who created the first rosary as we know it. There were primitive versions of it, but not the same. If the Carmelites, Dominicans and Franciscans used these primitive versions, it was an individual devotion, not a devotion of the order.
  4. The Carmelite Order did not always wear the scapular, contrary to popular mythology. When they returned to Europe they wore a tunic that was striped, white and brown. The Dominican habit and way of life was imposed on them. They kept the original brown and white colors. If you look at their habit, it’s exactly the same as that of the Dominicans. They were forced to abandon the life of hermit and to become mendicants. At the time, the Franciscans were the most influential order in the Apostolic Palace. They were very suspiscious of the Carmelite hermits, because up to that point, all the hermits around them had been heretics, for example, Waldo and company. They pushed and pushed until the Church ordered the Brothers of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel to become mendicants, adopt the habit of St. Dominic and the work of the Franciscans (1238). No miraculous scapulars were given to them at that time. The vision of St. Simon Stock is later (1251). Though the early historians of the Carmelite Order do not mention it. The first time that it was mentioned was in the 14th century. by 1251, everyone was already wearing a scapular, except for the Franciscans, because Francis did not want the friars to look like religious
 
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