Traditional Rosary

[commenter]

Does Truth and good traditional acts have expiration date?

Defined “Truth” is public revelation. Sacred Tradition does not change. The dogma of the Assumption is here to stay.

The rosary is a good act, but not part of Sacred Tradition, or Deposit of Faith. It has been modified, and will be modified in the future. It is a pastoral response to needs, some of which change over time. There is no “seniority principle” with private revelation or private devotions. Fatima came long after many other private revelations, but it is not therefore less important, even in 1917, when it had no “seniority”.

The rosary is, I think, the most honored private devotion at present. The Church could, next year, honor some other private devotion more. The original rosary was a pastoral modification to meet the needs of people at that time. The Luminous Mysteries are also a pastoral modification.

 

[edward_george1]

I’m not entirely sure what you mean by the statement in edit 2, but I can’t say I’m wild about your tone toward me. I don’t know where you get off saying what kind of person I am or how I believe.

-Fr ACEGC

 

[TK421]

“Traditional” is often used to mean “Before Vatican II”.

Many traditional Catholics, for example, would include the Fatima Prayer at the end of the decades, believing that Our Lady instructed the children to pray it in 1917.

The Fatima prayer is fairly standard in any circle of Catholics, since Fatima is promoted by all of the Popes of the later 20th & 21st century. I have never witnessed a Rosary where the Fatima prayer was omitted, even in my relatively liberal area, though I’m sure it happens.

 

[tweedlealice]

OK! I’m humbled by your knowledge. Choices of Rosary formats. Praying in Latin!! I could. I’d need to refresh. What about lining up w the Psalms?? HUH?? 
Saying an 800 yo Rosary...or choosing which creed. 
I’ve feel guilty b/c I’m not fond of the Rosary. I feel bad about it. I am saying it every night w other prayers. In HS, I got detention for something. I was going to be a nun, at the time.

My sin wasn’t that great. We had to say the Rosary in detention. That may have done it. I’m better at free flowing prayer than orchestrated prayers by rote. I, finally, tell my Spirit to be happy it’s time for the Rosary. I’m not letting my old complaining thoughts in. I am a little manic and from the North and talk fast. Meaning I pray fast. I try and keep brain attached to each word. I don’t get warm fuzzies till I’m saying the Fatima prayer. The Anima Christi is precious to me. It’s a Spiritual communion. SIGH! Imperfect as I am, I try. I told my priest my dilemma of not feeling connected w the Rosary. He said, if I’m saying the words, the Holy Spirit says the prayers.
It gives me a chuckle and concern about that question I posed on another thread. The one about having to pray out loud or in our mind.
I hope all my prayers over a life time were heard?!!
Again, I am humbled by your exposure to great things. What is w the Psalm connection and the Rosary?
Good night
God bless
Tweedlealice

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Right, but the person was asking whether “traditional” meant “very old” and I am pointing out that “traditional” could mean just 50 to 100 years old.

Being promoted by a Pope is no guarantee of success with Traditionalists, as shown by Pope John Paul II’s Luminous Mysteries which are being objected to in this thread as being a non-traditional add-on to the Rosary as given to St. Dominic by Our Lady.

 

[sudy]

Personally I love the Luminous Mysteries because they’re so rich in the glory of God.
Baptism - the manifestation of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (also John the Baptist’s acknowledgement of us ‘not fit to untie his sandals.’)
Wedding - Our Lord’s first public miracle (and Our Lady’s complete faith and trust in Our Lord).
Kingdom - Our Lord reigns in Heaven already (and the Holy Spirit manifest in the Church, the Kingdom on Earth).
Transfiguration - manifestation of Our Lord’s glory, (also our God and Father declaring His love for Our Lord).
Eucharist - The daily miracle, the real bread of life, (unless you eat…).
What’s not to love?
As to the alterations, no problem as it’s a private devotion and prayer. All prayer is good and worthy.
It’s all about love, not about tying ourselves up in strict laws and practices, like the Pharisees.

 

[Cecilia2017]

It definitely does happen. I was surprised it’s never part of the daily rosary in our cathedral…

 

[commenter]

Being promoted by a Pope is no guarantee of success with Traditionalists, as shown by Pope John Paul II’s Luminous Mysteries which are being objected to in this thread as being a non-traditional add-on to the Rosary as given to St. Dominic by Our Lady.

An approved private revelation or private devotion is something handed to us by the Magisterium. To put it another way, the Magisterium SELECTS a tiny percentage of the thousands of proposed statements or devotions attributed to Mary, or Jesus, and recommends them to us. And not the great majority of other revelations and devotions, which were ATTRIBUTED to MARY or JESUS.; the Magisterium ignores most of them, and thus, so do we.

Some people perceive the rosary as coming from Mary, to Dominic, directly to US, and if the Magisterium does anything that is interference. They argue that popes are subordinate to any writer who happens to write anything about Fatima. The reality is that Mary is not subordinate to popes, but all private revelations, and private devotions, ARE subordinate to the Magisterium. They are approved, and modified, for pastoral purposes, which may change over time.

 

[commenter]

The luminous mystery I have a hard time relating to is the Transfiguration. I think that is because I am biased by my upbringing in the USA. We tend to over emphasize action. Whenever I read about the Transfiguration, I wonder, “What action is going on here”?

That likely means this is a most important mystery for me to think about, to pray about.
God always balances out our blind spots and fixations, if we are open to Him.

 

[edward_george1]

The Transfiguration is about being encouraged by the glimpse of his resurrected glory amidst the prediction of his passion and death. To know that the resurrection awaits on the other side of trial keeps us on the path in our own lives, since we know the reward of sharing in Christ’s suffering.

-Fr ACEGC

 

[MikeInVA]

So Our Lady was mistaken when she gave the Rosary to St. Dominic without the Luminous Mysteries?

From what I’ve read, the Marian Psalter was in use in various forms before She gave the Rosary to Saint Dominic . What our Blessed Mother gave to Saint Dominic was the concept of the mysteries, which gave the decades form. I think the mysteries have developed over time since then.

The Dominican Rosary doesn’t include a creed at the beginning; it starts with the old form Hail Mary.

 

[paperwight]

semper_catholicus:

So Our Lady was mistaken when she gave the Rosary to St. Dominic without the Luminous Mysteries?

From what I’ve read, the Marian Psalter was in use in various forms before She gave the Rosary to Saint Dominic . What our Blessed Mother gave to Saint Dominic was the concept of the mysteries, which gave the decades form. I think the mysteries have developed over time since then.

The Dominican Rosary doesn’t include a creed at the beginning; it starts with the old form Hail Mary.

I’m glad you pointed out that the Dominican Rosary is different from the one said usually nowadays.

Do lovers of what they consider to be the ‘traditional’ rosary only say the first half of the Hail Mary, i.e. without the ‘Holy Mary, Mother of God’ second half as that wasn’t part of it either.?

 

[MikeInVA]

I’m far from an expert, but only the first Hail Mary is said the traditional way; all others are the current form for the Dominican Rosary.

 

[Lost4words]

I only ever pray the sorrowful mystery

 

[HolySpirit]

Yes it is. Google it. You can get a Franciscan Crown rosary fairly inexpensively.

Another popular rosary is the Servite rosary which is also known as the the 7 Sorrows Rosary or the 7 Dolors rosary. The are relatively inexpensive as well.

 

[commenter]

As you said, there were developments prior to St Dominic, and I think there will be more after St JP 2. I am sure St Dominic was criticized for “adding to” the private Revelation that preceeded him.

When people keep referring to private Revelation as if it were public revelation, that puts all private Revelation in a negative light.

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[anon10271182]

The Sarum Rosary is very traditional. I may just pray it exclusively when praying privately. Love it!

 

[anon10271182]

Going on 6 or 7 years.
Fr. Mullady was my grad moral theology prof. Tough class, but richly rewarding.

 

[HolySpirit]

It is most edifying. Everyone who prays the rosary regularly should join.