"Traditional" stole design?

[Tarpeian_Rock]

This is prompted by the pictures of Fr. Scalia at the Supreme Court. His stole is cut such that the ends flare out significantly wider than the body of the stole. I have seen the same in pictures of EF Masses. Stoles worn at OF Masses typically have ends the same width as the body of the stole.

Is there a particular significance to that design? Historically were stoles cut that way, with the narrow-ended stoles a modern design?

 

[Mark1970]

This is prompted by the pictures of Fr. Scalia at the Supreme Court. His stole is cut such that the ends flare out significantly wider than the body of the stole. I have seen the same in pictures of EF Masses. Stoles worn at OF Masses typically have ends the same width as the body of the stole.

Is there a particular significance to that design? Historically were stoles cut that way, with the narrow-ended stoles a modern design?

Not a direct answer to your question but a few years ago I asked a traditional (Institute of Christ the King) priest about different designs of stoles and chasubles - Roman vs. Gothic etc. His answer was that it essentially comes down to fashion. I’ve been attending EF Masses for 15+ years and seen a variety of designs.

 

[malphono]

I wouldn’t call it “fashion” as such, but it is a matter of style. Roman vestments (aka fiddlebacks) typically have a stole and maniple with flared ends. In my casual observation, the more severe the cut of the chasuble, the more severe the flare of the stole and maniple. Gothic (and the more common semi-gothic) vestments have a stole and maniple with straight ends. I’m not sure about the rarely seen Boromean style, but I tend to think the stole and maniple may have a slight flare. Conical vestments tend, I believe, to stole and maniple with straight ends. With both the Boromean and conical styles it’s a bit hard to tell since the chasubles themselves are so voluminous.

 

[Mark1970]

Wasn’t the Roman style initially more common near Mediterranean countries and the semi-gothic in more northern European countries? That would make more sense considering the designs.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

This is prompted by the pictures of Fr. Scalia at the Supreme Court. His stole is cut such that the ends flare out significantly wider than the body of the stole. I have seen the same in pictures of EF Masses. Stoles worn at OF Masses typically have ends the same width as the body of the stole.

Is there a particular significance to that design? Historically were stoles cut that way, with the narrow-ended stoles a modern design?

What you are describing was customarily termed a preaching stole. They were meant to be worn over the cassock and surplice rather than under the chasuble, hence the flared ends.

 

[Mark1970]

What you are describing was customarily termed a preaching stole. They were meant to be worn over the cassock and surplice rather than under the chasuble, hence the flared ends.

Priests at the EF Mass I attend always wear stoles with flared ends underneath their chasuble for Mass. If you wish, I can post a link to photos showing sets of Mass vestments with flared stoles and maniples. However this would be a link to a seller of vestments, not sure whether this would be allowed.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

Priests at the EF Mass I attend always wear stoles with flared ends underneath their chasuble for Mass. If you wish, I can post a link to photos showing sets of Mass vestments with flared stoles and maniples. However this would be a link to a seller of vestments, not sure whether this would be allowed.

Thank you but it is not necessary to post a picture for me. In the number of years I have been wearing vestments, I have worn every style…having celebrated Mass in the vetus ordo and the novus ordo; I am quite well acquainted with them.

Having read the description and seen the photographs, I was simply telling the original poster that the priest was wearing what was customarily called a preaching stole – and I assume that term is still used today in the United States, as it was in decades past.

 

[malphono]

While I quite well know what is meant by the term “preaching stole” in context, it seems to me it was more commonly called a “communion stole” at least in the US. Of course I’m not saying it wasn’t, but I daresay I don’t recall the expression “preaching stole” used in the US. The term is just a bit alien to me. The closest I recall is as a synonym for an Anglican tippet.

In any case, in my experience and to my recollection, a “communion stole” was a stole, plain and simple, and could be of any design.

 

[Don_Ruggero]

While I quite well know what is meant by the term “preaching stole” in context, it seems to me it was more commonly called a “communion stole” at least in the US. Of course I’m not saying it wasn’t, but I daresay I don’t recall the expression “preaching stole” used in the US. The term is just a bit alien to me. The closest I recall is as a synonym for an Anglican tippet.

In any case, in my experience and to my recollection, a “communion stole” was a stole, plain and simple, and could be of any design.

Well, Father, I am not interested in engaging in debate with you. I wrote to the original poster the term that was used back in my day.

You say you quite well know the term “preaching stole” in “context” but I’m afraid I don’t know what context you are referencing since I understood the term to indicate a style of stole not a context – other than perhaps wearing it while giving a parish mission. Such stoles to which I am referring assuredly had no resemblance whatsoever to an Anglican tippet. This is the type of stole I am discussing:

saintwiki.com/images/4/48/Preaching_Stole.gif

By and large, I hasten to add, most stoles I encountered in the United States were typically more simple and plain…which is personally more to my taste.

Perhaps the terminology has changed over the passing decades. It is also not as though I traveled all over the United States and perhaps the usage was a regional anomaly to the places I was visiting.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to inform me what you and your priest confreres in the United States today now call such as is pictured above, since you say the term I have used is alien to you.