Traditional View of Church

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As Catholics are we part of the visible Church and the Soul of the Church? Also, are all of the baptized (protestants, orthodox, etc.) considered to be part of the Soul of the Church, but not the visible Church? Can anyone, Protestant or Catholic, be ever cut off from either the Visible Church or the Soul of the Church? I just want to know the traditional view of the Church. Thank you for your responses.
 
As Catholics are we part of the visible Church and the Soul of the Church? Also, are all of the baptized (protestants, orthodox, etc.) considered to be part of the Soul of the Church, but not the visible Church? Can anyone, Protestant or Catholic, be ever cut off from either the Visible Church or the Soul of the Church? I just want to know the traditional view of the Church. Thank you for your responses.
Will you define those terms, please:
  1. visible Church?
  2. soul of the Church?
Thanks.
 
Body of the Church (visible church) - those who share in the sacraments of the church

Soul of the Church - Those who belong to the church without knowing it.
 
You will hear some adherents to pre-Vatican II theology try to portray non Catholic Christians as lost. My suggestion to you is to read *Lumen Gentium *.
Just Google the title and you will be taken to a few sites where you can read it. There you will find nice reconciliation of doctrines which deal with the situation in the world today. There was a time when a Christian was automatically either an Eastern or Latin Roman Catholic. After the Protestants arrived on the scene, the Church struggled to incorporate them. Do yourself a favor and read that document.
 
As Catholics are we part of the visible Church and the Soul of the Church? Also, are all of the baptized (protestants, orthodox, etc.) considered to be part of the Soul of the Church, but not the visible Church? Can anyone, Protestant or Catholic, be ever cut off from either the Visible Church or the Soul of the Church? I just want to know the traditional view of the Church. Thank you for your responses.
Baltimore Catechism, #4
  1. Q. Are all bound to belong to the Church?
    A. All are bound to belong to the Church, and he who knows the Church to be the true Church and remains out of it, cannot be saved.
Anyone who knows the Catholic religion to be the true religion and will not embrace it cannot enter into Heaven. If one not a Catholic doubts whether the church to which he belongs is the true Church, he must settle his doubt, seek the true Church, and enter it; for if he continues to live in doubt, he becomes like the one who knows the true Church and is deterred by worldly considerations from entering it.

In like manner one who, doubting, fears to examine the religion he professes lest he should discover its falsity and be convinced of the truth of the Catholic faith, cannot be saved.

Suppose, however, that there is a non-Catholic who firmly believes that the church to which he belongs is the true Church, and who has never – even in the past – had the slightest doubt of that fact – what will become of him?

If he was validly baptized and never committed a mortal sin, he will be saved; because, believing himself a member of the true Church, he was doing all he could to serve God according to his knowledge and the dictates of his conscience. **But if ever he committed a mortal sin, his salvation would be very much more difficult. A mortal sin once committed remains on the soul till it is forgiven. Now, how could his mortal sin be forgiven? Not in the Sacrament of Penance, for the Protestant does not go to confession; and if he does, his minister – not being a true priest – has no power to forgive sins. **Does he know that without confession it requires an act of perfect contrition to blot out mortal sin, and can he easily make such an act? What we call contrition is often only imperfect contrition – that is, sorrow for our sins because we fear their punishment in Hell or dread the loss of Heaven. If a Catholic – with all the instruction he has received about how to make an act of perfect contrition and all the practice he has had in making such acts – might find it difficult to make an act of perfect contrition after having committed a mortal sin, how much difficulty will not a Protestant have in making an act of perfect contrition, who does not know about this requirement and who has not been taught to make continued acts of perfect contrition all his life. It is to be feared either he would not know of this necessary means of regaining God’s friendship, or he would be unable to elicit the necessary act of perfect contrition, and thus the mortal sin would remain upon his soul and he would die an enemy of God.

If, then, we found a Protestant who never committed a mortal sin after Baptism, and who never had the slightest doubt about the truth of his religion, that person would be saved; because, being baptized, he is a member of the Church, and being free from mortal sin he is a friend of God and could not in justice be condemned to Hell. Such a person would attend Mass and receive the Sacraments if he knew the Catholic Church to be the only true Church.

I am giving you an example, however, that is rarely found, except in the case of infants or very small children baptized in Protestant sects. All infants rightly baptized by anyone are really children of the Church, no matter what religion their parents may profess. Indeed, all persons who are baptized are children of the Church; but those among them who deny its teaching, reject its Sacraments, and refuse to submit to its lawful pastors, are rebellious children known as heretics.

I said I gave you an example that can scarcely be found, namely, of a person not a Catholic, who really never doubted the truth of his religion, and who, moreover, never committed during his whole life a mortal sin. There are so few such persons that we can practically say for all those who are not visibly members of the Catholic Church, believing its doctrines, receiving its Sacraments, and being governed by its visible head, our Holy Father, the Pope, salvation is an extremely difficult matter.

I do not speak here of pagans who have never heard of Our Lord or His holy religion, but of those outside the Church who claim to be good Christians without being members of the Catholic Church"
 
Oddly enough, it may be easier for some Protestants, especially those who believe in “once saved always saved” to make a perfect act of contrition. Since they are convinced of their salvation, by virtue of their faith, they do not fear Hell as a punishment for their sins. Thus their only reason for contrition would be for having offended God, which if I remember correctly is essentially the definition of an act of perfect contrition. It is hard for me to understand, but from this perspective it appears that this heresy (once saved always saved) could actually help the poor heretics who believe it make a perfect act of contrition. But then again, His ways are not our ways and those who came to the fields late in the day got the same wage as those who had worked since morning.

This is of course pure speculation on my part and would never put my faith in this, but rather trust in the wonderful sacrament of reconciliation as the means by which God desires to grant me forgiveness of my sins.
 
Body of the Church (visible church) - those who share in the sacraments of the church
I would say that the Eastern Orthodox would be included in this because they do practice valid Sacraments, however they are not licit because of their schism from Rome.
Soul of the Church - Those who belong to the church without knowing it.
I would include most Protestants in this as well.
 
As Catholics are we part of the visible Church and the Soul of the Church? Also, are all of the baptized (protestants, orthodox, etc.) considered to be part of the Soul of the Church, but not the visible Church? Can anyone, Protestant or Catholic, be ever cut off from either the Visible Church or the Soul of the Church? I just want to know the traditional view of the Church. Thank you for your responses.
Sure they can be cut off from the Mystical Body of Christ.

One example would be an excommunication latae sententiae, as for example that imposed on the the SSPX for the crime of schism. That’s only one example.
 
Sure they can be cut off from the Mystical Body of Christ.

One example would be an excommunication latae sententiae, as for example that imposed on the the SSPX for the crime of schism. That’s only one example.
However I would say that although SSPX are in schism (depends who you ask) they are still part of the Church just as the Eastern Orthodox are (who are also in schism).
 
However I would say that although SSPX are in schism (depends who you ask) they are still part of the Church just as the Eastern Orthodox are (who are also in schism).
If you have question about their schism, ask the Roman Catholic Church. They say that SSPX is in schism.

As for being outside the Mystical Body of Christ, the Eastern Orthodox is also outside, just confer with Mystici Corporis of Pius XII. Regardless of the canonical crime, they are outside just as Protestants, in general, are.

It is just not sinking in with SSPX - they are outside the Body of Christ!
 
If you have question about their schism, ask the Roman Catholic Church. They say that SSPX is in schism.

As for being outside the Mystical Body of Christ, the Eastern Orthodox is also outside, just confer with Mystici Corporis of Pius XII. Regardless of the canonical crime, they are outside just as Protestants, in general, are.

It is just not sinking in with SSPX - they are outside the Body of Christ!
However I was referring to his original question. What Churches have valid Sacraments: SSPX, Eastern Orthodox, and a few others.

What are Churches that are kind of part of the Church. Some Protestant Churches.
 
By Baptism we enter the Church–we remain united to her and a living member by remaining in the unity of faith and charity/grace. If we do not persevere in charity (commit a mortal sin), we are still members, but we are dead members. If we commit heresy, schism, or apostacy we become cut off from the Church completely.

So, what of non-Catholics? The un-Baptized who desire to do all God has commanded and believe all He has revealed–but for some reason they are not culpable for, they are ignorant or mistaken about what He has revealed and commanded–are united to the Church by their desire (sometimes this is called being “related” to the Church or being united to the Soul of the Church).

This terminology was often also applied to Baptized non-Catholics who were in “good faith” so to speak. However, the Second Vatican Council described their siuation in more detail, synthsizing the teacing of the Councils of Florence and Trent (and other sources) with the above teaching of the relationship to the Church of non-Catholics in good faith.

Since, according to those Councils, Baptism is the door by which we become members of the Church and that even heretics who Baptize correctly have true Baptisms, it follows that non-Catholic Baptisms are also a door to the Church. And if the individual is in “good faith” and therefore not guilty of heresy or schism, they are still united to the Church. However, they are not part of the visible unity of faith and communion that Christ desires for His Church–so they are considered in a partial or imperfect communion–true Baptism but not the unity of faith, but also no guilt for a sin of separation.

I hope that helps!

(obviously, it should go without saying that those individuals who remain apart from full Catholic unity due to their own fault–malice, obstinance, negligence, apathy, etc.–are separated completely from the Body of Christ and therefore can have no life within them.)
 
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