Traditional Women's Religious Orders

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After my conversion and falling in love with the Traditional Latin Mass, I have been discerning and a vocation for the last year or so. I have come across some wonderful communities, however, the problem is that I cannot find a single active (or contemplative/active) women’s religious order that is faithful (or at least regularly attends) to the Traditional Latin Mass. I love the contemplative orders, but the Lord has clearly created my heart with an active disposition… Does anyone know of any - or know where I can look?
 
After my conversion and falling in love with the Traditional Latin Mass, I have been discerning and a vocation for the last year or so. I have come across some wonderful communities, however, the problem is that I cannot find a single active (or contemplative/active) women’s religious order that is faithful (or at least regularly attends) to the Traditional Latin Mass. I love the contemplative orders, but the Lord has clearly created my heart with an active disposition… Does anyone know of any - or know where I can look?
To the best of my knowledge there is only one congregation that is an EF only congregation, I can’t recall if their name is Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church or Daughters of Mary, Mother of the Church. They were a sedevacantist congregation that came home recently.

The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate do both, EF and OF. The Dominican Sisters of St. Cecilia and the Dominican Sisters of Mary are very orthodox, but they only use the OF. The Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal are also very orthodox and faithful to Franciscan tradition, but will do both EF and OF.

It’s very hard to women religious to be EF only, because they have to accept whatever priest the local bishop assigns to them or attend mass at a local parish, if they don’t want the assigned chaplain. Attending mass at the local parish is going to depend on where they live. They can’t travel across the city to attend mass. Religious don’t do things like that.

The secret to religious life is not the form of the mass or the LOTH. The secret is to give what he takes and accept what he gives. Unfortunately, many religious and othes feel Tradition is reduced to liturgy. To be a religious, one must embrace the entire tradition.

I suggest that you check out some communities that do the type of apostolic work to which you feel called and let the Holy Spirit guide you from there. You will know that you have arrived when you feel at home.

I’ll pray for you.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
There’s also the traditional Redemptoristines, affiliated with the Transalpine Redemptorists, and there are the Sisters Adorers of the Royal Heart of Jesus, the congregation of the ICRSS.

Also, there are the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and with them are also the Brothers. Some individual Carmelite, Dominican, Benedictine and Franciscan (etc) convents/monasteries say the EF exclusively, and others, like Br JR said, say both EF and OF. But, even then, they are still traditional!
 
There is a traditional carmelite monastery in Elysburg Pennsylvania
 
After my conversion and falling in love with the Traditional Latin Mass, I have been discerning and a vocation for the last year or so. I have come across some wonderful communities, however, the problem is that I cannot find a single active (or contemplative/active) women’s religious order that is faithful (or at least regularly attends) to the Traditional Latin Mass. I love the contemplative orders, but the Lord has clearly created my heart with an active disposition… Does anyone know of any - or know where I can look?
In the UK the Dominican Sisters in Durham have the EF celebrated almost daily alongside the OF, as well as the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the Friars celebrate the EF with their Religious Sisters in attendance, and I do honestly encourage you to look into the Dominicans and the Franciscans (Br JR is slightly biased to the Franciscans, but honestly I can’t blame him ;)) and to Discern with them! The Franciscans have been a great help in my discernment, even though I am not sure if I am called to their order!
 
There’s also the traditional Redemptoristines, affiliated with the Transalpine Redemptorists, and there are the Sisters Adorers of the Royal Heart of Jesus, the congregation of the ICRSS.

Also, there are the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and with them are also the Brothers. Some individual Carmelite, Dominican, Benedictine and Franciscan (etc) convents/monasteries say the EF exclusively, and others, like Br JR said, say both EF and OF. But, even then, they are still traditional!
Bold is mine. I think those are the one that I was thinking of. They’re Americans, aren’t they and they were sedes?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
i would like to suggest that you investigate this group of nuns:
sistersofmarymotherofthechurch.org/

They have a wonderful story. I have talked to Mother Superior on a number of ocassions.

They came from a sedevacantist group (CMRI) a few years ago.
 
Bold is mine. I think those are the one that I was thinking of. They’re Americans, aren’t they and they were sedes?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
i would like to suggest that you investigate this group of nuns:
sistersofmarymotherofthechurch.org/

They have a wonderful story. I have talked to Mother Superior on a number of ocassions.

They came from a sedevacantist group (CMRI) a few years ago.
Oops, my bad. The Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church are the ones that I had in mind. They’re the Americans. I saw them on EWTN and they seemed very solid and delightful. I remember that they were very close to the Missionaries of Charity. That’s why they wear the blue band on their veil.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Brother JR,

Yes, they are American. They were originally from CMRI but broke with them several years ago. Former Bishop Skylstad, from Spokane, WA offered them a place at the Retreat house near that city. They were regularized by the Holy Father and are now serving the spokane Diocese.

When I last talked to Mother Kathryn Joseph she told me that they prayed long and hard on accepting a residence backeast close to the FSSP. They could have had all the things that they hold so dear but they discerned that the real battle was within the established church. So they have set their purpose to bring more reverence to todays church. The Bishop did provide for a priest to celebrate the EF with them weekly but they do assist at the OF Mass also.

Some of them teach, some give retreats and some help at the administrative duties of the Retreat Center.

I can’t recommend them enough.
 
Have you looked into the Benedictines of Mary, Queen of Apostles? They are just a beautiful, growing, and very traditional order, with great ties to the FSSP. I communicated with them briefly about discerning a vocation with them…unfortunately I was not in good health at the time and they didn’t think I would be a good fit for that reason…and now I’m afraid to try again. Especially since I was already slightly older than the age limit at the time. But I absolutely love their charism and their way of life.

benedictinesofmary.org/

God bless you in your search!
 
After my conversion and falling in love with the Traditional Latin Mass, I have been discerning and a vocation for the last year or so. I have come across some wonderful communities, however, the problem is that I cannot find a single active (or contemplative/active) women’s religious order that is faithful (or at least regularly attends) to the Traditional Latin Mass. I love the contemplative orders, but the Lord has clearly created my heart with an active disposition… Does anyone know of any - or know where I can look?
Look up the ones at EWTN. I forgot their names, but I think they do celebrate the Latin Mass.

Also, don’t blame your stubbornness on God. I’m looking into a vocation with the Franciscans. It used to be to where if it was more than five hundred miles away, it wasn’t acceptable. But, when I realized how ridiculous that was (And how impossible it was, because every Franciscan order is at least one thousand miles away), I started looking into places like New York, despite my living in Kansas. I’m now dead-set on a few Religious communities (Which luckily aren’t as far away as New York), all of which I like.

But the point is, don’t refuse your vocation because of stubbornness. You’ll find out very soon that you’ll find the perfect Religious community for you, and it probably won’t celebrate Latin Mass too often. And if you do find one that does, great, but don’t join it despite you not liking it just because it has Latin Mass. Be open to God’s vocation for you. Don’t deny your God-given vocation because of one little thing! Wherever God calls you to you’ll be happiest. Keep that in mind when looking at any community.

In Christ,

Miles.

Dominus Vobiscum.
 
The Benedictines of Ste-Marie-des-Deux-Montagnes, near Montreal, do the OF Mass but in Latin, and they do the full traditional monastic Liturgy of the Hours in Latin.

Might be worth a look, and they have a daughter house in Westfield, Vermont, that follows the same pattern.

The thing is though, as br. JR points out, their “thing” isn’t predominantly the Latin, or the Gregorian chant or whatever. It is the entire community life based on the Rule of St. Benedict. You should enter an order based on embracing the charism of the entire order, not just the liturgy. The liturgy should enhance the charism, not the other way around. As Benedictines they of course take liturgy very, very seriously, but there’s more to a monastic community than liturgy.
 
The Benedictines of Ste-Marie-des-Deux-Montagnes, near Montreal, do the OF Mass but in Latin, and they do the full traditional monastic Liturgy of the Hours in Latin.

Might be worth a look, and they have a daughter house in Westfield, Vermont, that follows the same pattern.

The thing is though, as br. JR points out, their “thing” isn’t predominantly the Latin, or the Gregorian chant or whatever. It is the entire community life based on the Rule of St. Benedict. You should enter an order based on embracing the charism of the entire order, not just the liturgy. The liturgy should enhance the charism, not the other way around. As Benedictines they of course take liturgy very, very seriously,** but there’s more to a monastic community than liturgy**.
Bold is mine.

Just today, I was listening to a group of Benedictines from St. Bernard’s Abbey. He was explaining that for the Benedictine, the liturgy is the center of their lives; but they are not as rigid about it as we like to think. He explained that every abbot has the freedom to organize it as he best sees fit for his abbey. He went on to explain that if you travel from abbey to abbey the breviary is different and the form of the mass is different. They may have the mass and LOTH in either Latin or the vernacular. What they keep in common is the Gregorian chant, because that’s their trademark. But they may do it in Latin or English. They may say 150 psalms in one week or in one month. It’s up to the abbot how the breviary is organized. They also have the freedom to move holy days around, readings, collects and other parts of the mass to fit the culture of the abbey. There is a skeletal framework that the Church requires must be kept in place and another that St. Benedict requires. Nonetheless, St. Benedict gives the abbot a great deal of freedom in this regard and tells the monks and nuns that the abbot’s voice on these matters is Christ’s voice and may never be questioned. Christ decides what is best for each house.

With this mind, it is imperative that if one enters the Benedictine order, one enters with the mind of Benedict. The abbot is abbess is the voice of Christ and one enters to live a life of obedience and stability, everything else falls into place if one obeys.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Can’t recommend the ones in Montreal even more, they’re extremely faithful to the Church. There’s also the the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate in Cornwall (England), and there’s also the Benedictine Nuns of Holy Trinity Monastery, in East Hendred, and also there’s the nuns in Kylemore Abbey!

The former says the EF, and the latter two say the OF in Latin and English, and the EF.
 
Bold is mine.

Just today, I was listening to a group of Benedictines from St. Bernard’s Abbey. He was explaining that for the Benedictine, the liturgy is the center of their lives; but they are not as rigid about it as we like to think. He explained that every abbot has the freedom to organize it as he best sees fit for his abbey. He went on to explain that if you travel from abbey to abbey the breviary is different and the form of the mass is different. They may have the mass and LOTH in either Latin or the vernacular. What they keep in common is the Gregorian chant, because that’s their trademark. But they may do it in Latin or English. They may say 150 psalms in one week or in one month. It’s up to the abbot how the breviary is organized. They also have the freedom to move holy days around, readings, collects and other parts of the mass to fit the culture of the abbey. There is a skeletal framework that the Church requires must be kept in place and another that St. Benedict requires. Nonetheless, St. Benedict gives the abbot a great deal of freedom in this regard and tells the monks and nuns that the abbot’s voice on these matters is Christ’s voice and may never be questioned. Christ decides what is best for each house.

With this mind, it is imperative that if one enters the Benedictine order, one enters with the mind of Benedict. The abbot is abbess is the voice of Christ and one enters to live a life of obedience and stability, everything else falls into place if one obeys.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
All excellent points. As a concrete example there are 4 published Benedictine schemas. The first one is the traditional psalm order laid out by St. Benedict himself in his famous Rule. But the Rule does allow some flexibility, as St. Benedict himself says that a monastery can choose another provided they do all 150 psalms in a week. Post-Vatican II that has been loosened a bit, and communities that are cloistered can do it in two weeks, and those with an external apostolate or for other valid reasons, can use the 4-week LOTH. When traveling monks can use the 4-week LOTH, or if visiting another community, the schema of that community to fulfill their obligation.

For example the house I am affiliated with as oblate uses Schema “B”, all 150 psalms in one week, but no repetitions, so the offices are somewhat shorter than St. Benedict’s schema, which repeats many psalms (3, 94, 66, 50, 4, 90, 133 and the Gradual Psalms every day). Vigils, and the minor hours are recited recto-tono in French but with the Latin Gregorian hymn from Liber Hymnarius. Lauds and Vespers are chanted in Latin, in Gregorian chant, on the Gregorian psalm tone appropriate for the antiphon. Compline is chanted in French in directum on weekdays, and on a more ornate tone on Sundays, but with Latin hymn and responsory, and the Marian antiphon in Latin Gregorian chant; the Nunc Dimittis is chanted in French without antiphon. The mother abbey, St-Wandrille in France which I have also visited, uses the original St. Benedict schema, with Vigils chanted recto-tono; at Compline there is no responsory, just a versicle, and no Nunc Dimittis, as is traditional for Benedictines, and it is chanted in Latin in directum. Our abbey has intercessions at Lauds and Vespers, whereas St-Wandrille only chants the Kyrie Eleison before the Pater Noster, as spelled out in the Rule. Two abbeys from the same congregation, and one being the foundation of the other, yet two very different offices. Both are done beautifully and reverentially, but as anyone exposed to Gregorian chant would know, the chant’s “voice” sounds very different in each abbey.

Whatever an abbot choses as the communities liturgy, you can be sure it will be done very carefully and reverentially and faithful to the rubrics. And you can be sure of another thing, any monk who does not faithfully obey the abbot, doesn’t remain a monk for very long.
 
In the UK the Dominican Sisters in Durham have the EF celebrated almost daily alongside the OF, as well as the Franciscans of the Immaculate, the Friars celebrate the EF with their Religious Sisters in attendance, and I do honestly encourage you to look into the Dominicans and the Franciscans (Br JR is slightly biased to the Franciscans, but honestly I can’t blame him ;)) and to Discern with them! The Franciscans have been a great help in my discernment, even though I am not sure if I am called to their order!
There’s also the Benedictine nuns at Ryde, on the Isle of Wight. The community was originally French, but now it’s completely English.

Two sisters of Zita, the last Empress of Austria-Hungary, were members of this community.
 
Two of the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church (SMMC) sisters left to begin a new community in Santa Rosa, CA and like the SMMCs they are very Marian based and they have the mass in **both **forms.

From their website: "We are privledged to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of Mass in both forms of the Roman Rite.

Living in accordance with the Motu Proprio, Summorum Pontificum, of 2007 written by our current Holy Father. We are privledged to be able to celebrate the sacred liturgy in both the Extraordinary (Latin tradition) and the Ordinary Form. The Ordinary Form, or current day Mass, is celebrated during the weekdays while we seek to assist at the Extraordinary Form Mass two to four times a week. In this way we endeavor to live the fullness of the liturgical life of the Church."

I’m discerning with them right now. :gopray2: They’re beautiful and simple, and they work with children and youth ministry.

Check 'em out! mariansisters.com
 
The Marian Sisters (www.mariansisters.com) apostolate includes:

*Daily prayer and sacrifice for Priests

*The spiritual formation and education of youth

*Presentations and retreat talks for parish and school gatherings

*Sharing in the full liturgical life of the Church in **both **forms of the Roman Rite through reverent worship, sacred music and seasonal observances

👍
 
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