Traditionalist Stand and be counted...Progressive/liturgists Saints in the Church?

[Juan313]

First on 3-23-10 I seen the Program of Glenn Beck and I did do some research on Dorothy Day. Not really knowing who she was but her names popped up on Q and A . Bare with me a moment: Taken from the Q and A below
**Q: Dorothy Day is heralded by some to be a saint. I have copies of her Catholic Worker, and she loved Fidel Castro and what he was doing to Cuba. Is this what makes her so popular? **
”A: Of course not. Holy people are admired for their sanctity, not their politics. Dorothy Day (1897-1980) was a journalist in the early part of the 20th century who converted to Catholicism. She had lived a sinful life for a number of years prior to her conversion, including having been involved in two common-law marriages and having had an abortion. After her conversion she became involved in social justice campaigns and started the Catholic Worker movement. She did indeed take stances on political issues that would today be considered leftist, but her main concern was to care for and be an advocate for society’s poor and marginalized. When the 1960’s “free love” revolution came, Day rejected it by saying that she had already lived through the bad effects of “free love.” She also remained staunchly loyal to the Church. The Archdiocese of New York opened a cause for sainthood for Day in 2000. She is currently given the title Servant of God."
The Reply at the last four sentences She is opened for Sainthood? (I know Saul of Tarsus became St. Peter) but did you read the interview with Rev, Jim Wallis. Here it is:
Source: Rev. Wallis on WBEZ, Jan 21, 2010
Among her many past duties she was responsible for this:
" Yet, although Day had written passionately about women’s rights, free love and birth control in the 1910s, she opposed the sexual revolution of the 1960s, saying she had seen the ill-effects of a similar sexual revolution in the 1920s. Day had a progressive attitude toward social and economic rights, alloyed with a very orthodox and traditional sense of Catholic morality and piety." Wikipedia
She had a progressive attitude as the Memo on cover page states the Church is going to Change and the “Progressive” Liturgist will not like the change. She was part of the Social Christianity chain of survival. A twist of the traditions of Catholic Values that brought the change of the Faithful Traditions to the “New Morality” culture of Death.
Now remember the Story of Pope Leo XIII…
"Pope Leo XIII was climbing the steps to the altar when he suddenly stopped, stared fixedly at something in the air and with a terrible look on his face, collapsed to the floor When asked what had happened, he explained that, as he was about to leave the foot of the altar, he suddenly heard voices - two voices, one kind and gentle, the other guttural and harsh. They seemed to come from near the tabernacle. As he listened, he heard the following conversation:
The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasted to

Our Lord: “I can destroy your Church.”

The gentle voice of Our Lord: “You can? Then go ahead and do so.”

Satan: “To do so, I need more time and more power.”

Our Lord: “How much time? How much power?”

Satan: “75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service.”

Our Lord: “You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will.”

Now this is taken from the our Homepage catholic.com/projects/new_mass_translation.asp

These liturgists were obstinately proud of what they did to the Mass, and they’ve defended it to the death ever since.

This is where the old joke came from . . .

“What’s the difference between a terrorist and a liturgist? You can negotiate with a terrorist.”
These liturgists have been in charge of the translation of the Mass for decades. They have caused bitter—and highly unnecessary—divisions in our Church.
Officially.

The change is coming all the way from Rome.

“Rome has spoken. The matter is finished.”

Well, you would think . . .

But the progressive liturgists are not going down without a fight. They never do.

Now with this in mind I have laid out the argument to Stop this step to Sainthood of a liturgist. The “Progressive” left of the Church will push to have her made a Saint. Next will it be Barrack Obama?
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[Moscati]

Am I correct in seeing that you’re quoting Wikipedia to make a case against someone being considered for sainthood? You’re going to need a whole lot more than that.

It would help if you wrote more clearly. What it looks like to me is that you quote a Q&A from a Rev. Wallis, who supports Day. Then you quote Wikipedia, which says Day was a staunch opponent of the sexual revolution (a good thing). Then you say Day was a progressive liturgist and therefore evil, with no source. Then you launch into a completely unrelated story about Pope Leo XII.

Day wasn’t a liturgist at all. She was a social activist and a writer. I’ve read that she actually disliked the changes to the liturgy from Vatican II, but that was hardly her province.

It makes absolutely no sense to charge Day with furthering the culture of death. Look what she had to say about about it:

"To me, birth control and abortion are genocide. I say, make room for children, don’t do away with them. I learned that prevention of conception when the act that one is performing is for the purpose of fusing the two lives more closely and so enrich them that another life springs forth and the aborting of a life conceived are sins that are great frustrations in the natural and spiritual order.

The Sexual Revolution is a complete rebellion against authority, natural and supernatural, even against the body and its needs, its natural functions of child bearing. This is not reverence for life, it is a great denial and more resembles Nihilism than the revolution that they think they are furthering." – Dorothy Day

There are better things for you to spend your time and energy doing–don’t bad-mouth someone the Church has seen fit to call “Servant of God” falsely.

 

[Tsuwano]

Am I correct in seeing that you’re quoting Wikipedia to make a case against someone being considered for sainthood? You’re going to need a whole lot more than that.

It would help if you wrote more clearly. What it looks like to me is that you quote a Q&A from a Rev. Wallis, who supports Day. Then you quote Wikipedia, which says Day was a staunch opponent of the sexual revolution (a good thing). Then you say Day was a progressive liturgist and therefore evil, with no source. Then you launch into a completely unrelated story about Pope Leo XII.

Day wasn’t a liturgist at all. She was a social activist and a writer. I’ve read that she actually disliked the changes to the liturgy from Vatican II, but that was hardly her province.

It makes absolutely no sense to charge Day with furthering the culture of death. Look what she had to say about about it:

"To me, birth control and abortion are genocide. I say, make room for children, don’t do away with them. I learned that prevention of conception when the act that one is performing is for the purpose of fusing the two lives more closely and so enrich them that another life springs forth and the aborting of a life conceived are sins that are great frustrations in the natural and spiritual order.

The Sexual Revolution is a complete rebellion against authority, natural and supernatural, even against the body and its needs, its natural functions of child bearing. This is not reverence for life, it is a great denial and more resembles Nihilism than the revolution that they think they are furthering." – Dorothy Day

There are better things for you to spend your time and energy doing–don’t bad-mouth someone the Church has seen fit to call “Servant of God” falsely.

I agree with your reply and acknowledge that it was certainly better than the one I was prepared to offer . . . and much more graceful as well.

 

[PacoG]

It seems like the OP uses Glen Beck’s political rhetoric as the measuring stick for everything. The line of thinking goes like this: Dorothy Day is a leftist (by Glenn Beck’s estimation). Therefore she is unworthy of canonization. Glen Beck is a political commentator (and a Mormon). His attack on Day is political.

The OP also attacks Day’s pre-conversion behavior. However, that is not a disqualification from canonization. The Church exists to convert sinners and bring them home. The liturgical calendar is full of days celebrating the lives of saints who converted from sinful lives. St. Paul (not St. Peter) persecuted Christians. St. Francis of Assisi was a spoiled bratty rich kid. St. Augustin of Hippo lived a life of debauchery and sexual perversion before his conversion. In raising people to the altar, Mother Church seeks to give us examples of sinners who became great saints. Sainthood isn’t a political office where someone’s past sins and indiscretions are disqualifications. To quote Mother Angelica: “We are all called to be great saints. Don’t miss the opportunity.” Dorothy Day is an example of someone who heard that call to be a great saint and took the opportunity.

Ironically, the OP quotes Leo XIII. Pope Leo was the one who first articulated Catholic social teaching in Rerum Novarum. Day was inspired by Pope Leo’s teaching. From what I understand, the Catholic Worker movement was built on those teachings.