"Traditionalist" versus "Fundamentalist"?

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Ncjohn and I are the same age. We both grew up with the TLM and we both went through the transition to the NO. Forty + years later… the funny thing is that we both consider ourselves and each other to be Catholic. I reject either term - traditionalist or fundamentalist.

I am not the least bit interested in going back to the fears I had as a child because my father was not Catholic. Or having to get permission from our parish priest to go to my grandmother’s funeral services because she was Protestant. I am overjoyed that those days are gone.

On the other hand, Latin was no mystery to me back in the 60s. Could I speak it? No. Did I know what was going on during the Mass? Without a shadow of a doubt…and so did a whole lot of other people who submitted to the magisterium of the Church. The link that Brennan has in his signature was prophetic and the date was 1966.

We are Catholic and we have a heritage. I am not ashamed of my heritage nor am I going to “ram it down your throat”. Forty + years ago, I had my heritage ripped out from beneath me in a little over two years. I am not interested in the least bit in inflicting heritage on anyone. I have seen my reverent downtown NO parish grow from 200 people in 1983 to well over 1500 families today. Why?

It is no surprise to me to read that so many young people seek their heritage. God grant them sucess.
 
anamchara said:
Possibly Semper, we can all become a bit knee-jerk in here.

Now, I’ll have to go find another quote to counter this one 😃 shall we have a quoting war? I am just teasing you. I need to pick up my daughter from school. I appreciate the conversation we’ve had. It’s been enlightening. You seem like a very reasoned soul. 🙂
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You don’t need to provide a counter-quote. I am absolutely not a Feeneyite, and this quote is taken largely out of context by Feeneyites in order to satisfy their ideas. This quote is perfectly orthodox, as is the CCC when it speaks of those who are invincibly ignorant.

We have had a good conversation, and I have very much enjoyed it. Now if only piusphilistine could be as reasoned and as polite as you.
 
SemperFidelis said:
You don’t need to provide a counter-quote. I am absolutely not a Feeneyite, and this quote is taken largely out of context by Feeneyites in order to satisfy their ideas. This quote is perfectly orthodox, as is the CCC when it speaks of those who are invincibly ignorant.

We have had a good conversation, and I have very much enjoyed it. Now if only piusphilistine could be as reasoned and as polite as you.
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Why thank you Semper,I think you have been polite as well. To be honest, I had to look up Feeneyite. 😊 I’ve seen the term used on these forums but never took the time to read about it. I am bit confused though and need to go finish reading about it more in depth. I sort of scanned the page earlier today.
 
anamchara said:
As always John, great words. I agree. It comes from both sides and it needs to stop. This thread stuck out for me because I think it holds some truth. I’ve always said that there are extremists on both ends of the spectrum who seriously polarize the Church. We need to focus on just being Catholic.
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piusphilistine said:
anamchara;3021913:
I agree except I think fundie Catholics are fundie Catholics, no matter what their specific tastes might be.
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Would you consider the people I mentioned earlier, such as Dietrich von Hildebrand, Dr. William Marra, Cardinal Ottaviani, Fr. John Parsons, etc. to be “fundie Catholics”? Particularly since they embrace the same views as most traditionalists?
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piusphilistine said:
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As always John, great words. I agree. It comes from both sides and it needs to stop. This thread stuck out for me because I think it holds some truth. I’ve always said that there are extremists on both ends of the spectrum who seriously polarize the Church. We need to focus on just being Catholic.

I agree except I think fundie Catholics are fundie Catholics, no matter what their specific tastes might be.
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It seems Pope Benedict then Card.—had people like you in mind (and some others who pop in) --when he wrote the following in a letter (June 23, 2004) to a Dr. Barth regarding the TLM — he wrote about people being inoculated with aversion and disdain for what they consider pre-conciliar. The start of this thread labeling Traditionalists fundies–and your subsequent postings—serves to show— a form of “inoculation” has taken hold.

latinmassjax.org/augustnewsletter.htm

Very honored Doctor Barth!

Heartfelt thanks for your letter of April 6th, the response to which I only now find the time to make. You ask that I involve myself in the wider authorization of the old Roman Rite. You yourself already know that for my part, such a request does not fall on deaf ears; indeed, my involvement in this wish has, as it happens, become generally known.

However, whether the Holy See “will once again worldwide and without limit authorize” the old rite as you wish it and have heard through rumor may happen, cannot be simply said or entirely confirmed. One must always reckon with the fact that too many Catholics have been inoculated for years with an aversion to the traditional liturgy, which they disdainfully call “pre-conciliar” and likewise with considerable opposition on the part of many bishops against a general reauthorization [of the old rite]…
 
piusphilistine said:
Sorry, I’m not going to bite. You don’t have any answers so you start asking loaded rhetorical questions. Sorry. You are aware that your response is completely transparent though, aren’t you?

I know a great many Catholics who could be considered “conservative or liberal” with regard to their spritual lives and that’s fine. It’s actually none of my business.

But when I see so-called “liberal Catholics” being attacked by self-described “Traditional Catholics” (sic) for what they do (or do not do) WHILE they themselves dissent in the same manner is beyond bad.

It’s hypocritical…

I wonder if there are any forums on the web where “liberals” berate “Traditional Catholics?” My guess is there aren’t many…
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So let me getthis right. Its hypocritical if a Traditionalist slams a progressive but if a progressive slamd a traditionalist its OK? Is that about qhat you meant?

As far as transparent, yeah I know it is transparent.

The truth often is. Lies are what are murky and cloudy.

As far as not biting, I really didn’t expect you too. The things I brought up cannot be defended or refuted. All you can do is ignore them or say they never happened.
 
anamchara said:
Why thank you Semper,I think you have been polite as well. To be honest, I had to look up Feeneyite. 😊 I’ve seen the term used on these forums but never took the time to read about it. I am bit confused though and need to go finish reading about it more in depth. I sort of scanned the page earlier today.
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I agree, SF is always polite. Not always right, but always polite.😉 I notice that the OP is gone, though. How long will it take him to be back with another name?
 
TMC said:
I agree, SF is always polite. Not always right, but always polite.😉 I notice that the OP is gone, though. How long will it take him to be back with another name?
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I don’t know but I learned a new word out of the deal 😃
 
SemperFidelis said:
Say’s who? 😛 Come on TMC, don’t you enjoy my little spills on Church Dogma? 😉
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Yes, I do. Emotions can get up when people are discussing things they care about, but most here at least try to stay calm and civil. I try to apolgize when I don’t. I enjoy the give and take. I don’t even mind those that just want to fight - that can be fun and informative. Nothing teaches like getting smacked down. But the ones that just want to call names are neither fun or informative.
 
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This thread is closed. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion.
 
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