Transcendentalism

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I was wondering what the Catholic church’s opinion is on Transcendentalism. I’ll admit that I personaly don’t really know much about transcendenalism, I just finished reading Little Women and I know her father was a Transcendentalist.
I was just wondering what the Catholic Church thinks about it.
 
It really stinks that this post has gone unnoticed… because I too was wondering the same thing.

I’ve read a lot of Thoreau and Emerson and listened to transcendental music by Peter Mayer… it has strengthened my relationship with God and I just wanted to know if there were others like me who were Catholic.
 
Maybe you should post this on the “Ask an Apologist” thread. I sure don’t know the answer.

Sorry
 
The transcendentalists were pantheistic, believing God is present in everything in nature. They believed one could have direct contact with God by communing with nature, since they believed the trees are God, water is God, the ground is God, etc.

The transcendentals also rejected organized religion, and for them, human reason was incompatible with religion. They placed feelings and emotions above reasoning, believing God communicated everything they needed to know directly to them, similar to gnosticism.

This is not a belief system compatible with Catholicism. It is very similar to New Age thought today.

If you are interested in Catholic mysticism, I’d stick with Church approved sources, the saints, and other sources loyal to the church on this topic:


Padre Pio the Mystic

(a good quick overview of Catholic Mysticism)

The Interior Castle
by St. Teresa of Avila

Ascent of Mt. Carmel
by St. John of the Cross
 
beckycmarie
They placed feelings and emotions above reasoning, believing God communicated everything they needed to know directly to them, similar to gnosticism. QUOTE]
Being a big fan of Thoreau, I can’t agree with you here.
Thoreau, as his teacher Emerson, placed reason over emotions and feelings, which is why they didn’t follow the organize religions of their time, and why they rejected prejudice and other quirks that survived the Puritan era of New England.
The Catholic Church teaches that we are not to reject truth, just because its not Catholic, but embrace it. Much of what Thoreau taught is truth, and existed in the Catholic Church, especially in monasticism, long before he came along.
Also, I think that they were more Agnostic than pantheistic.
Much of what they taught triggered the enlightenment movement, which I was surprised to just recently read Pope Benedict credit for moving mankind forward.
 
BTW, the Catholic Encyclopedia has a indepth description of
Transcendentalism, with the following paragraph;
New England transcendentalism, sometimes called the Concord School of Philosophy, looks to William Ellery Channing (1780-1842) as its founder. Its principal representatives are Amos Bronson Alcott (1799-1888), Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882), Theodore Parker (1810-1860), Frederick Henry Hedge (1805-890), George Ripley (1802-1880), and Margaret Fuller (1810-1850). It had its inception in the foundation of the Transcendental Club in 1836. The chief influences discernible in its literary output are German philosophy, French sociology, and the reaction against the formalism of Its sociological and economic theories were tested in the famous Brook Farm (1841), with which the names just mentioned and those of several other distinguished Americans were associated.
newadvent.org/cathen/15017a.htm
Jim
 
Dear Jim,

That same newadvent article also says this:
In all these various meanings there is preserved a generic resemblance to the original signification of the term transcendentalism. The transcendentalists one and all, dwell in the regions beyond experience, and, if they do not condemn experience as untrustworthy, at least they value experience only in so far as it is elevated,sublimated, and transformed by the application to it of transcendental principles. The fundamental epistemological error of Kant, that whatever is universal and necessary cannot come from experience, runs all through the transcendentalist philosophy, and it is on epistemological grounds that the transcendentalists are to be met. This was the stand taken in Catholic circles, and there, with few exceptions, the doctrines of the transcendentalists met with a hostile reception. The exceptions were Franz Baader (1765-1841), Johann Frohschammer (1821-1893), and Anton Günther (1785-1863), who in their attempt to “reconcile” Catholic dogma with modern philosophical opinion, were influenced by the transcendentalists and overstepped the boundaries of orthodoxy. It may without unfairness be laid to the charge of the German transcendentalists that their disregard for experience and common sense is largely accountable for the discredit into which metaphysics has fallen in recent years.
 
beckycmarie
They placed feelings and emotions above reasoning, believing God communicated everything they needed to know directly to them, similar to gnosticism.
I know wikipedia is not the most reliable source, but are they completely wrong in describing transcendentalism this way?
Transcendentalism began as a protest against the general state of culture and society at the time, and in particular, the state of intellectualism at Harvard and the doctrine of the Unitarian church taught at Harvard Divinity School. Among Transcendentalists’ core beliefs was an ideal spiritual state that ‘transcends’ the physical and empirical and is only realized through the individual’s intuition, rather than through the doctrines of established religions.
Source: Wikipedia
The Catholic Church teaches that we are not to reject truth, just because its not Catholic, but embrace it. Much of what Thoreau taught is truth, and existed in the Catholic Church, especially in monasticism, long before he came along.
I’d like to see some examples of what you’re talking about.
Also, I think that they were more Agnostic than pantheistic.
Some interesting reading on a transcendentalist who became Catholic in the 1840’s. The pantheistic nature of transcendentalism is mentioned specifically.

WHY ORESTES BROWNSON BELIEVED THE U.S. NEEDED THE CHURCH
Professor Peter Lawler on a 19th-Century Philosopher
Much of what they taught triggered the enlightenment movement, which I was surprised to just recently read Pope Benedict credit for moving mankind forward.
I hadn’t heard that, but if you have a source I’d like to read it.
 
I read somewhere, and this is actually a belief I totally agree with, that the transcendentalists believe that there is truth in most religions. That God gave inspiriation to the Indians, to Muslims, to Buddists, as well as to Christians.
I find it hard to believe that God would creat a race of people, for example Buddists, and not give them some form of divine inspiration.
 
I read somewhere, and this is actually a belief I totally agree with, that the transcendentalists believe that there is truth in most religions. That God gave inspiriation to the Indians, to Muslims, to Buddists, as well as to Christians.
I find it hard to believe that God would creat a race of people, for example Buddists, and not give them some form of divine inspiration.
God has written the truth on all of our hearts, but other than the Jews first followed by Christians, whom God has chosen to reveal Himself, the other religions have but a shadow of that truth. Just about every religion has some version of “The Golden Rule.”

The fullness of truth is found in the Catholic Church, so there is no need to go searching in other religions for something we’ve “missed.”
 
Well, I asked in the Ask an Apologist forum, but it looks like there is a great conversation going on here!!!

I wouldnt say that Transcendentalists were pantheistic, more agnostic. They believe that God transcends everything. He is huge, bigger than huge. So huge that we cannot understand him fully. I personally love that feeling of his greatness. It is very humbling. Transcendental means God with no boundaries. That is how I think everyone should view God. Too vast for description, too great for comprehension. God’s love is like the ocean, you can see Its beginning, but cannot see Its end. BIG. And that is my experience in Transcendentalism in a nutshell.
 
beckycmarie,
as you’ll see in the Catholic Encyclopedia, at Newadvent.org, “transcendentalism,” changed over its course and the New England version is somewhat different than the European versions. Myself, I had no clue about the older forms, only that of Thoreau and Emerson.

At any rate, I live here in Massachusetts and have visited Concord on several occasions and spoke with historians there.

If you read Waldon Pond, Thoreau gives lessons in practicality and reason over emotion and feeling, which is why I didn’t agree with you in this description.

Jim
 
beckycmarie and others,

On a different subject, but essentially saying the same thing concerning truths, not in themselves found in Catholicism.

It was the first article that came to mind when thinking about the subject of this thread.

Bold is my emphasis
  1. The majority of the “great religions” which have sought union with God in prayer have also pointed out ways to achieve it. Just as "the Catholic Church rejects nothing of what is true and holy in these religions,"18 neither should these ways be rejected out of hand simply because they are not Christian. On the contrary, one can take from them what is useful so long as the Christian conception of prayer, its logic and requirements are never obscured. It is within the context of all of this that these bits and pieces should be taken up and expressed anew. Among these one might mention first of all that of the humble acceptance of a master who is an expert in the life of prayer, and of the counsels he gives. Christian experience has known of this practice from earliest times, from the epoch of the desert Fathers. Such a master, being an expert in “sentire cum ecclesia,” must not only direct and warn of certain dangers; as a “spiritual father,” he has to also lead his pupil in a dynamic way, heart to heart, into the life of prayer, which is the gift of the Holy Spirit.
    ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFMED.HTM
 
God has written the truth on all of our hearts, but other than the Jews first followed by Christians, whom God has chosen to reveal Himself, the other religions have but a shadow of that truth. Just about every religion has some version of “The Golden Rule.”

The fullness of truth is found in the Catholic Church, so there is no need to go searching in other religions for something we’ve “missed.”
I believe that the Church teaches that she has the fullness of truth that has been revealed to her, but that does not exclude truths that may have been revealed to others.

I could be wrong here, so don’t take it to the bank.

Essentially I agree with you though, that the truths that others have found, were already in the Catholic Church.

Emerson and Thoreau were not Catholic and their understanding of Church teachings, would’ve been flawed because of the religious bigotry against Catholicism during their time.

Jim
 
God has written the truth on all of our hearts, but other than the Jews first followed by Christians, whom God has chosen to reveal Himself, the other religions have but a shadow of that truth. Just about every religion has some version of “The Golden Rule.”

The fullness of truth is found in the Catholic Church, so there is no need to go searching in other religions for something we’ve “missed.”
I didn’t say I was searching for anything in these other religions. I know the catholic Church has the fulness of truth. What i was saying is that I agree that all religions (well, not all, but most) have truth in them as well. Even if they don’t worship God like we do, I feel God may have revealed himself to them in a different way. Like the Indians who worshipped the Great Spirit in the Sky. I feel that that was God that they worshipped, but in a different way.
I can’t stand when christians say that if you are not christian you go to hell, that just wrong.
 
Vat IIs Nostra Aetate addresses the relation of the Church to some non-Christian religions:

The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.
 
Vat IIs Nostra Aetate addresses the relation of the Church to some non-Christian religions:

The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.
Bingo! 👍

The above statement pretty much states the attitude we must hold. For us, Jesus is the way the truth and the life. From my experience, the truths I’ve seen in other non-christian religions, merely points back to Jesus who is the fullness of those revealed truths.

Jim
 
Well then, I think I have found my answer! Now how do I take back my apologist request? haha

Really, I appreciate the answers here so much!

So, Child of God, have you looked further into transcendentalism? Have any favorite quotations?
 
The Transcendentalism of Emerson and Thoreau was not about the primacy of “feeling” or “emotion”. It was about the primacy of “intuition” (also called, confusedly enough, “reason”), a faculty that all humans have that allows them to directly experience and know divinity. Intuition is not to be confused with transitory emotional and feeling mental states.

Nor was Transcendentalism “pantheistic”. Pantheism says that the universe itself is God, and that there is no God “beyond” the universe. Emerson was a panEntheist – the universe is in God, but God also transcends the universe. Thoreau, on the other hand, was much less interested in talking about God. For Thoreau, life was lived in the direct experience of Nature; Thoreau didn’t deny God, but for him, the idea of “God” was pretty much superfluous.
 
Well then, I think I have found my answer! Now how do I take back my apologist request? haha

Really, I appreciate the answers here so much!

So, Child of God, have you looked further into transcendentalism? Have any favorite quotations?
Unfortunately I have not looked further into transcendentalism. I’ve had so much school work lately and don’t have time for anything else.
 
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