Transgender and communion?

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ConstantLearner said:
I have nothing against most Catholic doctrine except when it seems inflexible, uncharitable, and discriminatory.
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I think it helps to view Catholic doctrine as not a set of rules to check off on a checklist, but a set of ideals to strive towards. When I viewed it as a set of rules after my reversion after 22 years outside the Church, I ended up with scrupulosity and despair issues.

I’ve never heard of a transgendered person being denied communion. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. But it shouldn’t of itself be a criteria.
SeriousQuestion said:
Love of neighbor is one of the most important tenets of the Catholic Church and it is everywhere in Her teachings.
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Yes and I hope that includes if your neighbour is transgendered.
 
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Exactly! I’ve been always saying this whenever I’ve debated (rather argued…) with some of my peers about this.
 
Thorolfr said:
And what is this great societal impact? So far, I haven’t seen how a small percentage of the population having same-sex marriages has had any effect on the marriages of straight people.
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Tell that to the bakers, photographers and florists being sued for trying to live according to their beliefs. Tell it to the Catholic adoption agencies who are forced to close rather than place children in these “families.” Tell it to the parents who have children in public schools that teach sex-ed fiction as fact.
 
MikeInVA said:
Tell that to the bakers, photographers and florists being sued for trying to live according to their beliefs. Tell it to the Catholic adoption agencies who are forced to close rather than place children in these “families.” Tell it to the parents who have children in public schools that teach sex-ed fiction as fact.
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None of that is disrupting the marriages of heterosexuals or causing families to break up.
 
You’re moving the goal posts - the post I was replying to asked about societal impact.
 
I’m not moving any “goal posts.” I don’t believe there is a societal impact.

Show me some concrete examples, not hypotheticals.
 
I don’t think it’s so much the social impact, but rather what sorts of cultural assumptions about “marriage” have to be widespread in order for same sex marriage to actually be a thing (ex: marriage not trying about children, sex not being about reproduction at all, even to some extent now notions of fidelity as requiring sexual exclusivity). The legalization of gay marriage has as its effect a solidification of these assumptions constituting marriage by law, and not simply by cultural trend.
 
Gay marriage is a separate topic from transgender communion. Transgender people are not necessarily gay or seeking to enter a gay marriage.

I would suggest starting a new thread if you want to have the gay marriage discussion again.
 
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The assumptions you mentioned were solidified long before gay marriage became legal.
 
God reconizes males as males, and females as females. There is no politics in religion. Sorry if this offends anybody.
 
Not quite… plenty of people before gay marriage still had the idea of marriage and children being related, at least in their minds, even though that didn’t always happen in practice. This wasn’t just a religious thing. By solidifying, I don’t mean that such cultural practices were not there before. I think they were, but rather that it’s much easier now to mentally split marriage from children, to the point that the once historical association becomes virtually unknown, or at best, comparable to things like dowries or arranged marriages.
 
Sit_laus_Deo said:
God reconizes males as males, and females as females. There is no politics in religion. Sorry if this offends anybody.
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I think that’s presumptuous! You don’t know what God “thinks.” No one does. He created these people. We should not judge. It’s the height of hubris.
 
MikeInVA said:
God created them male and female. Who are we to say that God made a packaging error?
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Who are we to say why God does what he does? We aren’t to question his ways. And we certainly don’t know what he “thinks.”
 
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