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The nuclear family is a modern structure that is fundamentally detrimental to religious life.
This seems to be a controversial statement, offered without any basis. What characteristics of today’s families (aside from the built in assumption many have that parenthood is their destiny) concern you? What would the ideal family look like, in your view?
 
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Do you have any proof they work better if at all?
You omitted the next paragraph in my reply post where I addressed that aspect of your question.

How about you answering below, posed to you earlier, but which you did not address.
Posted by InSearchofGrace
In your postings, you defend transitioning and medical / surgical intervention in transgender adults. On the issue of transgender children, however, let me ask you: Are you in favor of transitioning, social, medical and surgical treatment for the transgender youth ? Please explain why if you are in favor in any of the category of transitioning.
In other words, are you in favor of transitioning and to what extent in transgender youth under 18 yrs?
Posted by Joie De Vivre
I see you have come back to comparing GID to Anorexia Nervosa without actually attempting to counter my points.
Yes, I did make a counter point in Post 67. Further, you could not challenge the comparison of SRS to Body Integrity Identity Disorder.

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Posted by Joie De Vivre
The one where your claim that most transgender children grow out of it is distorted from. The newer similar studies all get their numbers from the number they lost track of for example in one Canadian study 55% continued to experience gender dysphoria and the 45% they lost track of was claimed as “desistance” when it very well could mean things like they moved, family broke up and it wasn’t a priority, they killed themselves, etc.
Is the source the best you can offer? An article by a rabid transgender advocate no less, who transitioned from a man to a woman in 2010, “married” a woman partner, the couple raising three children. The article is featured in HuffPo, which serves as a mouthpiece for any and all gay and transgender issues, through its regular section, Gay Voices.

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Good luck getting a licensed doctor to prescribe hormones before 16.
It doesn’t seem as though you would have to look very far. 🤷

theblaze.com/stories/2015/09/30/moms-gift-for-14-year-old-who-wants-to-transition-into-a-female-is-garnering-a-lot-of-attention-do-you-know-what-that-is/
Corey and her family sought help at the Lurie Children’s Hospital in Chicago — five hours away from their Detroit home. There, Corey received a puberty-suppressing implant which was completely covered by their insurance, according to Buzzfeed News.
It was on Sept. 24, a day Erica wrote on Facebook that she’ll remember for the rest of her life, that she received a call from the pharmacy letting her know that the estrogen was ready to be picked up.
 
Obviously being transgender is not a childhood whim since these people continue to identify as the opposite gender into adulthood.
And a small amount still believe they are part-animal into adulthood. So what? We are talking about a child who is 30 months old. Mine still removes her diaper in the crib scattering debris aonto her stuffed animals, and I should trust her judgement on her gender identity? Please.
 
This seems to be a controversial statement, offered without any basis. What characteristics of today’s families (aside from the built in assumption many have that parenthood is their destiny) concern you? What would the ideal family look like, in your view?
I am sorry I did not get back to you, I had pressing personal matters come up.

To me there is more than one “ideal family”, I think there are a number of good family structures. Major points are the core family being much more interconnected with the rest of the family with extended family nearby and frequent contact between them. Retired grandparents would likely live with their kids. Extended families would have much more frequent get togethers, perhaps monthly or depending on the ages more often. People would frequently live with their parents until (if) they married. People would have much deeper friendships and their friendships would serve to bind together families unrelated by blood, for example via baptism.

The nuclear family today has serious issues, that it is considered normal for children to leave the nest as soon as they graduate secondary school is bad, it drives up the housing market and it makes it housing unaffordable. This leads to people moving in with boyfriends and girlfriends. A natural consequence is fornication (sin)which means people are contracepting (sin), having abortions (sin) or having children out of wedlock. Because they have been thrown out at so young an age without the ability to build up assets this leads to financial insecurity and makes young women feel they have to have an abortion else they’ll become impoverished. The shacking up impairs people’s abilities to rationally review marriage partners which leads to more divorce. So the nuclear family combined with pushing kids out on adulthood (a natural product of the nuclear family) leads to the evils of fornication, abortion and divorce which in turn drives people away from the Church. The extended family bonds today are frequently frayed if not nonexistent, combine this with the destruction of friendship as a meaningful institution and you get young people with little to no social support network. When you portray marriage as the greatest thing ever and a benchmark for adulthood this reduces people’s desire to join religious life
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You omitted the next paragraph in my reply post where I addressed that aspect of your question.

How about you answering below, posed to you earlier, but which you did not address.

In other words, are you in favor of transitioning and to what extent in transgender youth under 18 yrs?
Do I support x for children:
Social transition? Yes
Puberty blockers? Yes
Hormones at 16? Yes
Hormones starting from when they’d normally begin puberty? Ambivalent
SRS? Not until 18.
Yes, I did make a counter point in Post 67. Further, you could not challenge the comparison of SRS to Body Integrity Identity Disorder.

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To which I replied
While there are similarities there are also substantial differences. In anorexia nervosa one is not aware of the form of one’s body and believes they are fat which causes distress despite them being excessively thin. In comparison with gender dysphoria one is acutely aware of the form of one’s body and this is the source of distress, for example a transwoman who has not started hormones would almost certainly perceive their body as masculine and rightly so which would cause them substantial distress. Does that make sense?
That I did not challenge it does not mean I am incapable of it.

SRS does not meaningfully reduce ability to function on a day to day basis whereas BIID such as with people who think they should get amputations or be blind frequently substantially reduces ability to function normally in society. Do you find your ability to live a normal life impacted due to not having a penis? Note, I am specifically talking about having a penis and the concept of male privilege is wholly irrelevant to whether your life is impacted.
Is the source the best you can offer? An article by a rabid transgender advocate no less, who transitioned from a man to a woman in 2010, “married” a woman partner, the couple raising three children. The article is featured in HuffPo, which serves as a mouthpiece for any and all gay and transgender issues, through its regular section, Gay Voices.

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Actually I linked her because her links are good.
Notice how she is going five hours and crossing two state lines for it.
 
Notice how she is going five hours and crossing two state lines for it.
Sorry, but that makes me laugh. 🤷

I drive two hours and to another state to see my GYN. And I do it simply because I want to see an NFP only doctor.

I drive two hours within the same state to see my rheumatologist.

I know people that have driven 10 to 12 hours, crossing numerous states, to see specialty doctors.

And none of these are for controversial treatments.

Five hours and two states doesn’t even ring the bell. :rolleyes:
 
And when I was 4 years old I put a sheet over my head like a veil and pretended to marry my blow up Flipper toy, that didn’t make me a dolphin. I guess I should be grateful my mom didn’t start trying to communicate with me in dolphin vocalizations.
 
… The extended family bonds today are frequently frayed if not nonexistent, combine this with the destruction of friendship as a meaningful institution and you get young people with little to no social support network … Do I support x for children:
Social transition? Yes
Puberty blockers? Yes
Hormones at 16? Yes
Hormones starting from when they’d normally begin puberty? Ambivalent

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The inevitable and eternal imperfection of practices in nuclear families (we being only human) - which is an ad hominem argument - does not, as you know, justify your advocating the imposing of these forms of mental and physical molestation on under-18s.

Lonely young people and the absence of friendship are not caused by families being nuclear, non-nuclear etc. I have known families of all sizes from 1 person upwards befriend each other to solve these problems. No-one needed molesting to solve these problems.
 
And when I was 4 years old I put a sheet over my head like a veil and pretended to marry my blow up Flipper toy, that didn’t make me a dolphin. I guess I should be grateful my mom didn’t start trying to communicate with me in dolphin vocalizations.
Haha…that put a cute picture in my head…! 😉
 
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