Transgender friend becoming a Protestant Minister

[kdbueno]

I understand the ailment. But you have to understand the systematic theology of “hope”.

 

[Padres1969]

If by some chance this did indeed happen the Church would say that the no ordination took place becuase of invalid matter.

The church does not say women can not be priests because of some arbitrary reasoning that they do not want female preistesses but because a women can not be ordained much like a saltine cracker can not be consecrated into the eucharist or grape juice into the Blood. All these have one thing in common… Invalid matter.

No I do not mean that women are unequal or not human this is just silly. They can not be preist because one neeeds to be male for the sacrament to be valid.

Peace to you and yours

Fair enough, but what would become of any and all whom they had ministered to before they were discovered to have that invalid matter. Marriages they performed, anointing of the sick they ministered, confessions they heard and absolved, etc…

 

[Lou2U]

A friend of mine (Former Catholic) is becoming a Pentecostal minister. I have been told that she is a transgender. Until I was told this I had no idea but now I can see the signs - husky voice, large man’s hands. Her husband does not know this and I do not think her church knows this either as Pentecostals do not believe in transgenders.

You don’t know this for certain, so don’t say anything. It’s nothing to do with you.

I am debating on telling her that “it is not those who cry Lord, Lord who will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but those who do the will of the Father”. I also want to tell her that homosexuality is an abominations.

First of all, don’t tell her anything. Secondly, homosexuality isn’t an “abominations”. The Catholic Church does not teach that it is. Saying this would be wrong, and do you think it would make her want to listen to you? Thirdly, you don’t know if she is transgender so saying something would have no benefits at all.

I am worried for her soul and where she could be going in spite of her ministership.

Any advice.

Yes. Stay out of it. You say “her husband doesn’t know”, but you don’t even know. Your basis is on her looking and sounding masculine and you have been told this through gossip. Her spiritual journey is her own, and you won’t get anywhere by insulting her with something possibly untrue.

Lou

 

[McCartney]

You think that your female friend used to be a man because someone else told you this? You further believe that her husband has no idea that his wife used to be a man? I am afraid to ask how you know the husband’s knowledge level.

She has married a man with a brain disability. He cannot even pack a suitcase to go on a holiday. Some say that is why she married him. I cannot believe he would know.

 

[McCartney]

This makes me think of a question:

What happens if a male (born female) became a priest in the Catholic Church, because it was never found out that the individual was born female?

Is everything the priest says and does still of God? If they perform baptisms, or serve the Eucharist, or officiate weddings, are all those things still legitimate (from a Catholic perspective).

I apologize if I worded any of that weird, I am not officially Catholic.

A female cannot become a priest. The Church does not recognise transgenders. Her baptism certificate would show her as being a female.

 

[Jake_Parker]

A female cannot become a priest. The Church does not recognise transgenders. Her baptism certificate would show her as being a female.

Unless the person were baptized later in life, because they were not born into a religious family.

 

[Padres1969]

She has married a man with a brain disability. He cannot even pack a suitcase to go on a holiday. Some say that is why she married him. I cannot believe he would know.

Do you know for a fact he has a brain disability, and particularly one that would preclude him from knowing that his wife was once a man? I mean one of my oldest friends from preschool is severely mentally disabled, and yet I’ve not doubt he could tell a natural born woman from a transgendered woman.

A for these “some” you keep referencing, it sounds like they are are terrible gossips and need to find something more constructive to occupy their time rather than judging this woman and her family.

 

[OraLabora]

A friend of mine (Former Catholic) is becoming a Pentecostal minister. I have been told that she is a transgender. Until I was told this I had no idea but now I can see the signs - husky voice, large man’s hands. Her husband does not know this and I do not think her church knows this either as Pentecostals do not believe in transgenders.

I am debating on telling her that “it is not those who cry Lord, Lord who will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but those who do the will of the Father”. I also want to tell her that homosexuality is an abominations. I am worried for her soul and where she could be going in spite of her ministership.

Any advice.

This sounds entirely like innuendo and gossip. Large hands and husky voice mean nothing. My wife is a family doctor and has had female patients with acromegaly. Look it up. Moreover there are many women with masculine traits, and men with more delicate features. This is a poor basis on which to confront someone about being transgendered.

Unless you were told directly by the person you are risking serious embarrassment if you confront her on this. And even if she is transgendered… it really is none of your business.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

There used to be plenty of actresses with huskier voices that on the phone got called sir. Also, listen to a recording of Jackie Kennedy, she had a rather deep voice.

 

[Lou2U]

She has married a man with a brain disability. He cannot even pack a suitcase to go on a holiday. Some say that is why she married him. I cannot believe he would know.

So, more gossip. You seem to be determined to destroy this woman’s reputation - first she’s transgender, then she’s lying to her husband and then she’s married him just to manipulate him. Not only is this unfair, it’s possibly untrue and you have NO place talking about it and spreading rumours. It’s none of your business.

A female cannot become a priest. The Church does not recognise transgenders. Her baptism certificate would show her as being a female.

You don’t know that her “baptism certificate would show her as being female”. Leave her alone.

Lou

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

First of all, don’t tell her anything. Secondly, homosexuality isn’t an “abominations”. The Catholic Church does not teach that it is. Saying this would be wrong, and do you think it would make her want to listen to you? Thirdly, you don’t know if she is transgender so saying something would have no benefits at all.

Lou

Do I really have to bring St. Paul in this discussion?

 

[Lou2U]

Do I really have to bring St. Paul in this discussion?

I don’t know. Do you?

The CC does not teach that homosexuality is an abomination, like the OP said. Telling someone this is untrue, and it won’t benefit the OP to tell her friend she is an abomination based on gossip. It won’t do any good.

Lou

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

I don’t know. Do you?

The CC does not teach that homosexuality is an abomination, like the OP said. Telling someone this is untrue, and it won’t benefit the OP to tell her friend she is an abomination based on gossip. It won’t do any good.

Lou

What did he say about it?