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Is that the official position of the Catholic church?

I don’t think it is. From what I’ve read if she hasn’t gone through surgery, and could consummate, then she could marry a female. The Catholic church will always view her as female. Though, it’s quite possible that local church officials would not want to perform the ceremony given the specifics.
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
Problem is that the Church uses neither.

If a transgender person is a devout Catholic then they should view marrying someone of the same gender as a no go.
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What do you mean the church doesn’t use either? What other possible way to define gender is there? And how can you say whether a marriage is between a man and a woman or not without a working definition of what makes someone one or the other?
 
QuasiCatholic said:
What do you mean the church doesn’t use either? What other possible way to define gender is there? And how can you say whether a marriage is between a man and a woman or not without a working definition of what makes someone one or the other?
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I mean that currently the Church uses your sex at baptism, the DNA is irrelevant to her and the sex doesn’t change after SRS.

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The Church is in a holding pattern right now TBH.
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
I mean that currently the Church uses your sex at baptism, the DNA is irrelevant to her and the sex doesn’t change after SRS.

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The Church is in a holding pattern right now TBH.
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Brilliant. So what determines your sex at baptism?
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
Your genitals at the time.
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Great, now we’re getting somewhere.

So this guy is a guy. He had male genitalia at birth. He was baptized as a guy. He now chooses to live life as a girl.

Since he’s male, he can’t marry a man. Period.

If he’s post-operative, he’s still male but now impotent. He can’t marry anyone.

But if he’s pre-operative, he is still male with working male genitalia. He can marry and have sex with a woman even if looks and acts like one himself.

The same rules would apply for an at-baptism woman – women are out, men are still OK pre-op even if she’s living as a man. Post-op, she’d be impotent.

So to say that transgender people are automatically forced into celibacy is incorrect. It depends on a combination of their original gender, their operative state and who they want to have sex with.
 
QuasiCatholic said:
Great, now we’re getting somewhere.

So this guy is a guy. He had male genitalia at birth. He was baptized as a guy. He now chooses to live life as a girl.

Since he’s male, he can’t marry a man. Period.

If he’s post-operative, he’s still male but now impotent. He can’t marry anyone.

But if he’s pre-operative, he is still male with working male genitalia. He can marry and have sex with a woman even if looks and acts like one himself.

The same rules would apply for an at-baptism woman – women are out, men are still OK pre-op even if she’s living as a man. Post-op, she’d be impotent.

So to say that transgender people are automatically forced into celibacy is incorrect. It depends on a combination of their original gender, their operative state and who they want to have sex with.
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Usually antiandrogens such as spironolactone or cyprotone acetate render them impotent.

No Catholic priest in their right mind would be involved in a marriage between a woman and a transwoman. Additionally a faithful Catholic transwoman would not engage in a marriage with a woman as they genuinely believe their gender to be female and the Church does not allow gay marriages.
 
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