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Is that the official position of the Catholic church?

I don’t think it is. From what I’ve read if she hasn’t gone through surgery, and could consummate, then she could marry a female. The Catholic church will always view her as female. Though, it’s quite possible that local church officials would not want to perform the ceremony given the specifics.
 
Problem is that the Church uses neither.

If a transgender person is a devout Catholic then they should view marrying someone of the same gender as a no go.
What do you mean the church doesn’t use either? What other possible way to define gender is there? And how can you say whether a marriage is between a man and a woman or not without a working definition of what makes someone one or the other?
 
What do you mean the church doesn’t use either? What other possible way to define gender is there? And how can you say whether a marriage is between a man and a woman or not without a working definition of what makes someone one or the other?
I mean that currently the Church uses your sex at baptism, the DNA is irrelevant to her and the sex doesn’t change after SRS.

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The Church is in a holding pattern right now TBH.
 
I mean that currently the Church uses your sex at baptism, the DNA is irrelevant to her and the sex doesn’t change after SRS.

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The Church is in a holding pattern right now TBH.
Brilliant. So what determines your sex at baptism?
 
Your genitals at the time.
Great, now we’re getting somewhere.

So this guy is a guy. He had male genitalia at birth. He was baptized as a guy. He now chooses to live life as a girl.

Since he’s male, he can’t marry a man. Period.

If he’s post-operative, he’s still male but now impotent. He can’t marry anyone.

But if he’s pre-operative, he is still male with working male genitalia. He can marry and have sex with a woman even if looks and acts like one himself.

The same rules would apply for an at-baptism woman – women are out, men are still OK pre-op even if she’s living as a man. Post-op, she’d be impotent.

So to say that transgender people are automatically forced into celibacy is incorrect. It depends on a combination of their original gender, their operative state and who they want to have sex with.
 
Great, now we’re getting somewhere.

So this guy is a guy. He had male genitalia at birth. He was baptized as a guy. He now chooses to live life as a girl.

Since he’s male, he can’t marry a man. Period.

If he’s post-operative, he’s still male but now impotent. He can’t marry anyone.

But if he’s pre-operative, he is still male with working male genitalia. He can marry and have sex with a woman even if looks and acts like one himself.

The same rules would apply for an at-baptism woman – women are out, men are still OK pre-op even if she’s living as a man. Post-op, she’d be impotent.

So to say that transgender people are automatically forced into celibacy is incorrect. It depends on a combination of their original gender, their operative state and who they want to have sex with.
Usually antiandrogens such as spironolactone or cyprotone acetate render them impotent.

No Catholic priest in their right mind would be involved in a marriage between a woman and a transwoman. Additionally a faithful Catholic transwoman would not engage in a marriage with a woman as they genuinely believe their gender to be female and the Church does not allow gay marriages.
 
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