Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

[Pattylt]

He could have hitchiked each time to just outside the town.

Don’t you think the amount of time between leaving and arriving would have shown something funny?

In many organisms, we see where they started and we see where they ended up. Just because we don’t know each mutation along the way doesn’t me we cannot generalize about what happened.

If whales still have leg bones and still occasionally have a small leg showing, I think it’s pretty easy to determine that they used to have usable legs. When scientists can look at the DNA of an organism and see which parts mutated and what those mutations determine…I think we’re getting somewhere.

The scientists have looked at the DNA of Covid19 to see if it was manufactured or natural and they can tell it’s a natural mutation, I think that means it was not a Chinese lab experiment released on the public.

 

[buffalo]

doesn’t me we cannot generalize about what happened.

Generalize away, they have been doing it for 160 years…

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

But for us…there is simply no way to understand the chain of events that lead to a particular change.

At last. This admission of ignorance is refreshing.

As to an alternate theory, there is none. Evolution, flawed as it is, is possibly the best pseudo-science theory today. But it is not the best possible theory for the diversification of life on the planet.

An admission of ignorance? It’s more ‘pointing out the obvious to those who haven’t a good enough grasp of the process’. It’s exceptionally hard to predict future events from current ones. Does someone getting shot in Bosnia cause my great great uncle to get killed in France? Impossible to predict (oops - an admission of ignorance). But can we work out the causes for him being killed in World War I? Of course we can.

Can we look at a rabbit today and say ‘In one million years this species will have evolved into this!’ Of course we can’t (oops, another admission of ignorance).

And no alternative theory, you say. You mean it’s the only explanation? Well, you don’t seem to have a lot to choose from. But then you say it’s not the best possible one.

Very well. You have the podium. Let’s hear your proposal while we’re waiting for Buzz to do the same. Give us another one. One that better fits the evidence.

And here’s an address that you’ll find handy. To save you looking it up:

The Nobel Foundation
P.O. Box 5232, SE-102 45 Stockholm, Sweden
Street address: Sturegatan 14, Stockholm

 

[rossum]

Does someone getting shot in Bosnia cause my great great uncle to get killed in France?

My favourite spoof headline: “Archduke Franz-Ferdinand found alive. World War I a mistake.”

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Does someone getting shot in Bosnia cause my great great uncle to get killed in France?

My favourite spoof headline: “Archduke Franz-Ferdinand found alive. World War I a mistake.”

Horrifying to think that millions died just because Princip was a good shot. If you could go back in time all you’d need to do is nudge his arm…

The Second World War would almost certainly not have happened either. How many people were killed by those two bullets…?

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Very well. You have the podium. Let’s hear your proposal while we’re waiting for Buzz to do the same. Give us another one. One that better fits the evidence.

And take it a step further: If you can’t find an alternative, you have no grounds to criticize people who believe evolution to be true. After all, how can you fault someone for concluding something based on all the evidence we have avaliable?

 

[Freddy]

Freddy:

Very well. You have the podium. Let’s hear your proposal while we’re waiting for Buzz to do the same. Give us another one. One that better fits the evidence.

And take it a step further: If you can’t find an alternative, you have no grounds to criticize people who believe evolution to be true. After all, how can you fault someone for concluding something based on all the evidence we have avaliable?

Well, tongue planted firmly in cheek, there are a lot of claims made in this forum ‘based on all the evidence we have available’ with which I disagree. And then I’m the one suggesting that the evidence doesn’t necessarily lead to the conclusion arrived at.

However, unlike the usual suspects on this thread, I’m quite prepared to offer an alternative proposal.

 

[Buzzard3]

All the result of natural processes.

What “natural processes” produced the human brain?

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Starts with e, ends with -volution.

 

[Buzzard3]

The fossils you want are You demand every possible fossil, while producing none of your own. Not all fossils have been found yet, just as the fossils of Seth and his wife have not been found yet … Living chordates such as tunicates and amphioxus do not have bones and hence do not fossilise well.

Surely you’ve heard of Burgess Shale Type (BST) fossil deposits? They are noted for their ability to fossilize soft-tissue organisms. Over 40 such BST deposits have been discovered and not one of them provide evidence of the transitional fossils between pre-Cambrian and Cambrian biota that Darwinist theory predicts.
The lack of evidence for Darwinism’s theory of universal common descent is running out of excuses.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Fun fact: This is actually a complete lie. All sorts of possible transitional forms have been found in precambrian fossil deposits, such as the possible Trilobite ancestor Spriggina.

 

[Techno2000]

All sorts of possible transitional forms

What did these transitional forms transition into ?

 

[Buzzard3]

Fun fact: This is actually a complete lie. All sorts of possible transitional forms have been found in precambrian fossil deposits, such as the possible Trilobite ancestor Spriggina.

A drowning man clutching at straws. There is precious little in the way of transitional fossils between the Ediacaran and Cambrian biota - there is precious little Ediacaran biota, full stop; it is a diversity desert comparted to the explosion of life-forms that appeared in the Cambrian, most of which appear without any evolutionary antecedents. As Gunter Bechly says, it is “absurd” for Darwinists to claim that the Cambrian explosion doesn’t present a problem for their theory.
Some paleontologists even suggest the Ediacaran biota may have became extinct before the Cambrian explosion, although this view is understandingly unpopular, as it presents an even greater embarrassment to Darwinist theory.

As for Spriggina, it is a long way from a Trilobite.

 

[Buzzard3]

Starts with e, ends with -volution.

Hilarious. A typically super-vague Darwinist answer that explains nothing. In other words, you’re saying, “I haven’t got a clue which ‘natural processes’ produced the human brain - it just happened, okay? So stop asking questions and have blind faith, like me - that how Darwinist science works.”

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

A drowning man clutching at straws.

Pot, meet kettle.

Hilarious. A typically super-vague Darwinist answer that explains nothing.

I was unaware that you need every single bit of information spoon-fed.

In other words, you’re saying, “I haven’t got a clue which ‘natural processes’ produced the human brain - it just happened, okay? So stop asking questions and have blind faith, like me - that how Darwinist science works.”

This would be hilariously wrong if I didn’t know you are 100% serious.

I’m honestly amazed at the amount of goalpost-moving you’re doing. No matter what we present to refute your points, you say it isn’t enough and repeat the same old talking points. Since I’m rather tired of defending from the same old attacks, I’m going to cease doing so until you tell me your theory and the evidence that elevates it above evolution.

 

[rossum]

Surely you’ve heard of Burgess Shale Type (BST) fossil deposits?

Yes. They are called Lagerstätten. They are also rare compared with normal fossil deposits, and many of them are not from the Precambrian or Cambrian.

The lack of evidence for Darwinism’s theory of universal common descent is running out of excuses.

Please indicate one organism that does not use RNA somewhere in its metabolism. The use of RNA is one piece of evidence that supports universal common descent.

I await your evidence for any deity directly creating any species. The lack of evidence for direct creation of species by a deity is running out of excuses.

 

[o_mlly]

In many organisms, we see where they started …

That’s just not true. Why is it so hard for evo advocates to understand that the first knowledge of an event is not identical with the first event?

… and we see where they ended up.

Also not true – absence of evidence fallacy (argument from ignorance). Also, see the “Lazarus Creatures” – species thought to be long extinct.

 

[whatistrue]

That means every single plant & animal DNA in that ecosystem would have to be working in perfect harmony with so-called random mutations

No, it doesn’t; once again that is not how evolution works. The organisms with appropriate capabilities produced by random mutations survive; those without die. And if one of the “lucky” species’ food source dies off, then they go away too. But typically we are not talking about such a drastic immediate change that almost everything dies off (setting aside the “dinosaur killer” meteorite or similar large scale extinction events) but rather a gradual shift in climate or resource availability which give some organisms an advantage, meaning there are more of them born. This has been explained repeatedly; why is it not sinking in?

 

[o_mlly]

The Nobel Foundation

Your “Nobel” snark is pretty long in the tooth. As you and Rossum possess superlative imaginations to circumvent evolution fallacies, why not apply those creative imaginations to your snarks.
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[buffalo]

Would you nominate?