Transitional Fossils and the Theory of Evolution in relation to Genesis Accounts

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Freddy said:
I meant specifically in this thread. And I do because it’s kinda entertaining. And some of us like to correct some misinterpetations of the science that are posted (the matter of the saltiness of the sea for example, which rossum just helped out with).
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Well, I hope you’ve found me to be a bit more than amusing entertainment. I’ve sometimes been amused and entertained by people who behave like the license plate image below. And, I do pray for my critics. I’ve also been helpfully informed at times and I appreciate that.
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rossum said:
I repeat, there is no contemporary evidence of the existence of Moses.
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Repetition can be a form of propaganda. You can repeat something thousands of times in a mantra but that doesn’t make it true.

The survival of the Jewish nation and the Jewish Traditions (Passover, the Ten Commandments, etc.) are remarkable. It could have easily not happened. Christianity might not have survived and flourished but it has. There is a God and evidence is that He has acted in Providence to sustain the Jewish nation and the Catholic / Christian Churches.

Note: The Jewish religion was changed temporarily by the Babylonian Captivity (circa 586 BC) and changed permanently by the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in AD 70. There are no more animal sacrifices for sin in a Jewish temple. Jesus Christ became the “Lamb of God”. His Sacrifices and Death became a “once and for all” atonement for sins. The sacrifice of Christ’s Body and Blood is remembered daily in the Sacrifice of the Mass in Catholic Churches and Chapels around the world. Good Friday observances are another remembrance. Jewish and Catholic traditions were established when events like the Passover and the Crucifixion first happened and they continue to the present day.
 
stoplooklisten said:
Repetition can be a form of propaganda.
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So, repetition that “the Bible is the word of God” is a form of propaganda?

Do you really not think about this stuff before you post it? Instead, try finding some contemporary evidence for Moses.
 
rossum said:
try finding some contemporary evidence for Moses.
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Deeds from the life of Moses (the burning bush, the plagues upon Egypt, the Exodus, the parting of the Red Sea, the manna in the wilderness, the Ten Commandments, the law of Moses, etc.). have been remembered in successive generations since the time of Moses.

This is contemporary evidence from our current generation.
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Image source: Israeli Flag Flies At The Western Wall Photograph by Gary S Chapman - Fine Art America
 
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Deeds from the life of Moses (the burning bush, the plagues upon Egypt, the Exodus, the parting of the Red Sea, the manna in the wilderness, the Ten Commandments, the law of Moses, etc.). have been remembered in successive generations since the time of Moses.
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Deeds from the life of Krishna have been remembered. Deeds from the life of Amaterasu have been remembered. Deeds from the life of Zeus have been remembered.
 
rossum said:
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stoplooklisten:
Deeds from the life of Moses (the burning bush, the plagues upon Egypt, the Exodus, the parting of the Red Sea, the manna in the wilderness, the Ten Commandments, the law of Moses, etc.). have been remembered in successive generations since the time of Moses.
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Deeds from the life of Krishna have been remembered. Deeds from the life of Amaterasu have been remembered. Deeds from the life of Zeus have been remembered.
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Paraphrasing words from the Bible’s Book of Proverbs (ascribed to Solomon)…the simple believe everything but the prudent consider well the way that they are going. Bible translations show some variation.

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Now, I hardly think that @rossum believes everything. I’d more easily believe the opposite.

However, we all need to discern who and what to believe. Before we knowingly cross a bridge, we generally choose to believe that the bridge is safe.

Is it better to believe Krishna or better to believe Moses and Christ? I think we’ll find out for sure in the end (after death). As for me, my vote and confidence are in Jesus Christ.
 
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stoplooklisten said:
I think we’ll find out for sure in the end (after death). As for me, my vote and confidence are in Jesus Christ.
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If you get there before I do, stoplooklisten, then promise me that you’ll get in touch so I know that I backed the wrong horse.
 
stoplooklisten said:
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Freddy:
If you get there before I do, stoplooklisten, then promise me that you’ll get in touch so I know that I backed the wrong horse.
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Freddy, if I do go there, I would rather go there with some company (like you),

Musical interlude time…

This train is bound for glory (“don’t carry nothing but the righteous and the holy”)
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Yeah! A Woodie Guthrie fan? Gee, his music inspired so many artists that I’ve loved all these years. Springsteen especially. But she slipped in the line in about ‘this train don’t carry no whisky’. Jesus turned water into wine. I’m sure he wouldn’t mind me doing some back room distillin’ now and then.

Incidentally, Guthrie’s daughter asked the UK singer Bill Bragg to put some music to some of Woodie’s unpublished lyrics in '98. The album Mermaid Avenue was the result.

Listen to this track. Superb…


Or this:

 
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Yes, I have been a folk music fan (includes Woody Guthrie) since a babysitter influenced me that way at age 5 or younger. Thanks for sharing your music selections.
 
There’s a lot of variety among dogs. Still, there’s no evidence that dogs have evolved into anything other than a dog.
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rossum said:
Oh dear. Yet another YEC PRATT. Yes, there are processes which add salt to the sea. However, there are also processes which remove salt from the sea. Your source is lying by omission for not telling you this.

Those lying sources may fool you, but they don’t fool us. We have seen these arguments before. Because YEC does not do any science, all it has to rely on are old recycled arguments that we have seen before. This particular one is dealt with at Claim CD221.1 .
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The scientific community in general and talkorigins.org in particular are made of fallible, corruptible humans with agendas (and biases).You should be careful of what your sources are telling you both scientifically and philosophically. My sources on oceanic salinity did quantify amounts of sodium / salt being added and amounts being removed.

The average person wants to believe that they are above average. The average person wants to believe that they don’t have a God or Judgment or strict justice or a hell to fear. Don’t be average. Thanks for the conversation here.
 
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stoplooklisten said:
The scientific community in general and talkorigins.org in particular are made of fallible, corruptible humans with agendas (and biases).You should be careful of what your sources are telling you both scientifically and philosophically.
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The Christian community in general and YEC websites in particular are made of fallible, corruptible humans with agendas (and biases).You should be careful of what your sources are telling you both theologically and philosophically.
 
Even more complexity

Tiny protein motor fuels bacterial movement​

Bacteria

The ability to move is key for bacteria like some strains of salmonella and E. coli to efficiently spread infections. They can propel themselves forward using threads, known as flagella, powered by the flagellar rotary motor. But how this rotary motor is powered has been a mystery among scientists. Now, researchers from UCPH show that the bacterial flagellar motor is powered by yet another even tinier, rotary motor.

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rossum said:
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buffalo:
Even more complexity
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And your evidence that evolution cannot increase complexity is…?
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No , the point is… all the components have to be in the right place, right from the get-go for it to run, there’s no time to wait for evolution to do it’s thing .
 
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How can we be sure that there is no spiritual reality (angels, demons, God) in addition to material reality (earth, planets, stars)? We can’t.

How can the fish in a fishbowl prove that there is no life outside the fishbowl? They can’t.
 
Techno2000 said:
No , the point is… all the components have to be in the right place, right from the get-go for it to run, there’s no time to wait for evolution to do it’s thing .
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Professor Behe was correct that irreducibly complex systems cannot evolve by the direct route. However, such systems can evolve by indirect routes, and have been shown to evolve by such routes.

An arch is an irreducibly complex system; it cannot stand until the keystone is in place, and you cannot place the keystone until the rest of the arch is complete. How to solve the problem? Use scaffolding to support the arch while it is being constructed and then remove the scaffolding.

That is how natural arches are formed, and one of the possible indirect routes for evolution is called the ‘Scaffolding’ route: where an additional component is used initially and then later removed.
 
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