Transsexualism, why is it so dispised

[Benadam]

Transexualism is despised because it is identified with the movement to uphold quasipairbonds, experienced by gender confused people, as equal in dignity with the pairbond that human survival depends on.

I don’t mean to offend by stating that but to describe what is really hated. In as much as transexualism participates in that movement it will be subject to the base emotions of those who oppose it.

This thread has educated me. Although I have long understood the biological contribution to gender confusion, the testimony given by Zoe melts the heart. I am impressed with her ability to maintain balance while suffering a condition that is acutely unbalancing. Zoe clearly is not ruled by the common constraints to a balanced outlook such as not being able to feel the wrongness of emotionally driven behaviour.

The exchange between the canon lawyer and Zoe is the hoped for results of establishing sites like CAF.

There obviously needs to be clearly understood boundaries able to define and distinguish the unambiguously and ambiguously gendered if there are to be rules of law that can help end the wrongfully despised.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Transexualism is despised because it is identified with the movement to uphold quasipairbonds, experienced by gender confused people, as equal in dignity with the pairbond that human survival depends on.

I don’t mean to offend by stating that but to describe what is really hated. In as much as transexualism participates in that movement it will be subject to the base emotions of those who oppose it.

This thread has educated me. Although I have long understood the biological contribution to gender confusion, the testimony given by Zoe melts the heart. I am impressed with her ability to maintain balance while suffering a condition that is acutely unbalancing. Zoe clearly is not ruled by the common constraints to a balanced outlook such as not being able to feel the wrongness of emotionally driven behaviour.

The exchange between the canon lawyer and Zoe is the hoped for results of establishing sites like CAF.

There obviously needs to be clearly understood boundaries able to define and distinguish the unambiguously and ambiguously gendered if there are to be rules of law that can help end the wrongfully despised.

While you seem to be level headed and sincere. It sounds like 2 things to me. First the ignorance of painting transsexuality and homesexuality with the same brush. The two are no more related than lampshades and rotweilers are to eachother. It sounds like some don’t like transsexuality because they expect me to be a breeding machine, which treating me in a less dignified manner than a wild animal. That type of simplemindedness partially explains to me why I just don’t relate well with many common people.

 

[Benadam]

While you seem to be level headed and sincere. It sounds 2 things to me. First the ignorance of painting transsexuality and homesexuality with the same brush. The two are no more related than lampshades and rotweilers are to eachother. It sounds like some don’t like transsexuality because they expect me to be a breeding machine, which treating me in a less dignified manner than a wild animal. That type of simplemindedness partially explains to me why I just don’t relate well with many common people.

unfortunate but true. I would say the primary reason for the experience of being despised discussed here. I’m sorry , I should have said emotions that inhibit the ability to feel wrongness rather that emotional driven behaviour. My apologies I surely did not mean to offend.

 

[aspawloski4th]

unfortunate but true. I would say the primary reason for the experience of being despised discussed here. I’m sorry , I should have said emotions that inhibit the ability to feel wrongness rather that emotional driven behaviour. My apologies I surely did not mean to offend.

You do not offend me at all. All you are is stating a truth of what you see. The people you speak of, they offend me very very much.

 

[Zoe_Brain]

Transexualism is despised because it is identified with the movement to uphold quasipairbonds, experienced by gender confused people, as equal in dignity with the pairbond that human survival depends on.

I don’t mean to offend by stating that but to describe what is really hated. In as much as transexualism participates in that movement it will be subject to the base emotions of those who oppose it.

If that were true, then one would expect there to be the same or slightly fewer jurisdictions that give human rights to homosexuals than to transsexuals.

20 states have laws protecting people from being fired because they’re gay.
Only 13 of those states also have laws preventing people from being fired because they’re transsexual.

In New Hampshire just a few days ago, a state which has had laws protecting gays for 11 years now, on the same day the legislature voted in favour of full gay marriage, they voted against extending the same employment rights to transsexuals that they do to homosexuals.

The Human Rights Campaign (HRC) recently was strongly criticised because of the issue of ENDA - the Federal Employment Non Discrimination Act. This was originally going to protect both Homosexuals and Transsexuals, and the HRC said that they would oppose it being changed to Gay-only. But when Barney Frank changed it to Gay-only because “it’s harder to get rights for transsexuals than gays”, they changed their tune, and supported federal legislation that would only protect gays.

I’m not saying you’re wrong in your contention, and no doubt that;s a part of it. But the evidence suggests there’s something more, something even stronger.

I’ll quote Americans For Truth:

The Oakland Press reported in March 2005: “Bill Scharffe, director of bylaw and policy services for the Michigan Association of School Boards, advises local districts not to include the term ‘sexual orientation’ in their anti-harassment policies. ‘Schools need to be very careful with that,’ he said, noting that neither federal nor state civil rights laws consider people of a particular sexual orientation a protected class. He added that literal interpretation of ‘sexual orientation’ could include people who gravitate toward any sort of sexual activity, including that with animals, children and corpses.”

Not content with adding the discriminatory “sexual orientation” language to city law, homosexual activists and their political allies succeeded in adding the words “gender identity” as well.

Simply put, “gender identity” refers to delusional men who claim to believe they’re really females stuck in a man’s body and insist on wearing a dress and high heels to work.

This “gender identity” language is so radical in its potential effects that even openly homosexual Congressman Barney Frank, D-Mass., refuses to include it in his federal “gay rights” legislation.

See the problem? Over 25% of gay students have been physically assaulted for being gay. Some have been slain, and many more maimed. Now that’s bad enough, but the rate of assault for transgendered children isn’t 25%, it’s 50%. This is not regarded as a bad, but a desirable thing to many, and NARTH at one point had their scientific advisor recommend unsanctioned bullying as a solution to those “transgressing gender norms”. Teachers were told not to intervene when they saw mobs of children attacking another child, if the victim was transgendered,

Then of course there’s the usual distortions and outright lies in this. The depth of irrational hatred is deep, this goes well beyond any religious convictions. They’re just convenient excuses.

Sometimes this irrationality descends into psychotic hysteria - this from a 127 page booklet by MassResistance:

“…transgender/transsexual” activists… want to offer your children on the bloody altar of transsexuality — pulling them into sex-change operations involving unimaginable bodily mutilations and hormonal manipulations.
…
The culture of death has created a compulsion in the souls of the homosexual radicals and their “trans” allies, driving them ever further into new perversions. There is no bottom to this pit of depravity, and they will drag many innocent victims along with them: the young, the lonely, the psychologically and physically wounded, the confused – including some of your children and grandchildren, family, friends and neighbors. There will be no safe haven. You cannot cocoon in your homes or churches. Our public schools, businesses, public accommodations (which may include churches), your employers and insurers, will all be forced to yield to yet-undefined perversions, protected by law.”

Sigh

It would be funny if there wasn’t a 45% unemployment rate, with over 50% of those in employment below the poverty line. And so many youngsters forced to peddle their bodies just to eat. So many of us fall by the wayside.

You can see why we, the adults, do whatever we can to change the situation. How can we not? How can we stand by and say “well, not our problem, we survived…”.

 

[Zoe_Brain]

Now please compare and contrast. Here are two testimonies, one from a woman my age who is still recovering from a many-hour long assault last year, and another from a younger woman who was left for dead nearly 20 years ago, but still hasn’t made a complete recovery.

Their stories are common. I’ve heard far too many of them, I’m afraid. I think if I was capable of giving up hope, I would have done so long before now. Instead, these stories just make me more dedicated to doing whatever I can, moving the mountain one teaspoonful at a time. But Lord, did the mountain have to be so big? And did you have to give me a whole mountain range of them? Sigh Better get digging rather than complain about it then, hadn’t I?

As many of you may remember, It was a 11 months ago yesterday that I was brutally beaten and left for dead for what, being me. I’ve gone down along road with many twist and turns, and a lot of frustration and hard work to get to where I am today. I still haven’t hit what the medical profession calls maximum medical improvement. (I guess that’s good) I still have more work ahead, but considering I almost didn’t make it and last May they were starting the paper work for permanent disability without quality life. I’ve been able to officially retire the following therapist, physical, occupational, speech and barring any hiccups my neurologist (hurray no more MRI’s or Cat scans). Yesterday, I went to my primary care who finally released me to return to work full time gradually increasing my hours over the next 2-4 weeks. Unfortunately they did still keep some medical restrictions in place to hopefully protect me, but I know I’ve come along way!

No need to respond, I just needed to express my feelings, but thanks anyway for reading.

Once again remember in this fast pace world that we live in today, please take the time to STOP, look around, smell the roses, and see the beauty life has to offer. Take your negatives and turn them into positives. Remember you only live once, and you never know if you’ll wake up tomorrow and have the chance to again!

Thanks for all the support! Remember to always be aware of your surroundings. I love you all, and thanks again for your love and support!

As some already know, or may not know, I was literally “Murdered”
just after my 21st birthday, in 1988…I was slipped in and out of death many times before I was stabilized…
The EMS crew had written me off on arrival to the hospital… I was fully comatose…
Without going into all the gory details again here, I am still not completely healed. I never will be. The attackers thought they had butchered me…but, modern medical science managed to pull me from the grip of death…but not with out life long side effects.

I was unable to do much of anything for 18 months after I was spared from the embalmers table…

Take every moment of life’s breath as a precious gift. and if you are like us, the ones who pay a horrible price for being who and what we are, every step towards recovery is a major win.

I will pray very hard for you, that you too can recover and mend.
I will pray that your inner spirit, can find the way to somehow go on, and not suffer the nightmares of reliving it endlessly.

For me, it took forgiveness. Why they decided to do what they did to me, I don’t know. I never found out who it was…but, I had to forgive it in my mind. I had to let it go…in order to go forward with my life.

Your survival and subsequent living of life fully later, is going to be the real victory.

None of us should have to endure this kind of pain…just because we are " special souls ".

Who exemplifies Christianity? These two women, or MassResistance?

Again, we ask the question: why are we despised?

 

[Zoe_Brain]

My apologies I surely did not mean to offend.

I’m sorry, I laughed when I saw that.

You are so very far from being offensive you see. Honest, polite, courteous… yes, we do get offended sometimes, but we’d never get offended by anything said with an honest and open heart like yours!

 

[Benadam]

QUOTE] But the evidence suggests there’s something more, something even stronger.

Zoe, this statement stuck out and attached it’self to the memory of this: That transexuals are viewed as hyperhomosexuals. This is a deeply permeating view that I didn’t recognize in myself untill reading this thread. Specifically your story. It’s kinda wierd. The old enterpretation of what I see tries to creep into the new paradigm I see now. Even though I knew about the physical aspects that confuse the gender of the body I didn’t define that reality as transexualism. Transexualism to me was people who are sexually attracted to the opposite gender so strongly they would surgically alter their genitals to match their sex drives. I prefer the term intergendered? Not sure if that was the proper term but I know you know the term.

 

[hyflyer64]

People don’t know who or what you are.
Change that, and you will see an end to the persecution.

So we can see why we are depised! What do we do about it
It becomes more and more obvious that the Gay community is not doing us any good. In fact from what Zoe has posted and things that I’ve found on my own, it’s to our detriment.

And obviously, as my electrolysist stated, when people hear ‘transexual’ they picture the junk you see on Jerry Springer. They associate the name with extreme gays. ‘Just guys who do this to have sex with men!!’ ( had to substitute the cr*p word with junk )

Somehow we have to distance ourselves from the TS label.

Rachel

BTW, wish me luck. I’m meeting with my parish priest in the morning.

 

[Benadam]

I’m sorry, I laughed when I saw that.

You are so very far from being offensive you see. Honest, polite, courteous… yes, we do get offended sometimes, but we’d never get offended by anything said with an honest and open heart like yours!

Thank you for that.

 

[hyflyer64]

Zoe, this statement stuck out and attached it’self to the memory of this: That transexuals are viewed as hyperhomosexuals. This is a deeply permeating view that I didn’t recognize in myself untill reading this thread. Specifically your story. It’s kinda wierd. The old enterpretation of what I see tries to creep into the new paradigm I see now. Even though I knew about the physical aspects that confuse the gender of the body I didn’t define that reality as transexualism. Transexualism to me was people who are sexually attracted to the opposite gender so strongly they would surgically alter their genitals to match their sex drives. I prefer the term intergendered? Not sure if that was the proper term but I know you know the term.

“Transexualism to me was people who are sexually attracted to the opposite gender so strongly they would surgically alter their genitals to match their sex drives.”

This comes right from Ray Blanchard and is so far from reality as to be a joke. The problem is that people have bought into it.
How much of a “sex drive” does a pre-pubescent child have? How much “sex drive” does an asexual person have?
The so called data that Blanchard based his opinions on was a joke.

Rachel

 

[Benadam]

“Transexualism to me was people who are sexually attracted to the opposite gender so strongly they would surgically alter their genitals to match their sex drives.”

This comes right from Ray Blanchard and is so far from reality as to be a joke. The problem is that people have bought into it.
How much of a “sex drive” does a pre-pubescent child have? How much “sex drive” does an asexual person have?
The so called data that Blanchard based his opinions on was a joke.

Rachel

Rachel, I’m beginning to think that it would be better to let that term be attached to what the popular mind thinks it is and to promote the term transgendered for the corporeal reality that has already happened without surgery.

 

[aussie_jaz]

Rachel, I’m beginning to think that it would be better to let that term be attached to what the popular mind thinks it is and to promote the term transgendered for the corporeal reality that has already happened without surgery.

to promote the term transgender in regards to transsex people would be taking a huge backward step.as it has already been shown in posts 123 and 153 there is too much difference to group the two as the same
(i think i got the post numbers right)
until a better term comes around i prefer to use the term transsex without the ‘ual’ as i have found that is often the part that steers people the wrong way.

 

[magdelaine]

So we can see why we are depised! What do we do about it
It becomes more and more obvious that the Gay community is not doing us any good. In fact from what Zoe has posted and things that I’ve found on my own, it’s to our detriment.

And obviously, as my electrolysist stated, when people hear ‘transexual’ they picture the junk you see on Jerry Springer. They associate the name with extreme gays. ‘Just guys who do this to have sex with men!!’ ( had to substitute the cr*p word with junk )

Somehow we have to distance ourselves from the TS label.

Rachel

BTW, wish me luck. I’m meeting with my parish priest in the morning.

I’ll be praying for you!

But remember, he is just a man…with human failings…there is so much misunderstanding. Perhaps you could ask him to read this thread?

 

[magdelaine]

I feel so arrogant, “granting” or “withholding” forgiveness, as if I wasn’t a sinner too. But I’d like to forgive him, purely out of selfish motives. I dislike feeling this way about any fellow human being.

• John Brantingham

This story made me so sad. I find your “lack of charity” to be very charitable. I’m as aghast as you are at these comments. (Well ok, that’s probably not possible, but I’m pretty aghast.)

 

[Elizabeth502]

You have not answered MY question.

I trust that you don’t hate , maybe annoyed, but not hate. But you speak for you and not everyone who disagrees with me.Is it possible that you and I could not be enemies and agree to disagree?

Is this the question that was “not answered”?

I’ve never described myself or behaved as your “enemy.” I’m sorry, but this is one of aforementioned ways you bait people by asking them essentially ‘when they’re going to stop beating their wife.’ It’s a question that presumes an inaccuracy in order to be answered. You’ll forgive my attention to the rules of English and rhetoric, but it just annoys the heck out of me when debaters “set up” other people and then complain that their “questions aren’t answered.”

To sum up, from my point of view, it is not acceptable to be prejudiced and ignorant – not even from a human perspective, let alone a Christian one. And I sincerely hope I don’t have to keep saying that, don’t have to continually be challenged on that point, but it often seems that way. Nevertheless, to try to answer the original question of the OP, it may seem to be hatred, but I suspect that more often it is gut-level discomfort – whether on the part of some others who have posted on this thread, or the public at large. Unlike other kinds of rights and advocacies (disabilities of various sorts, elderly protection, more), anything touching on sexuality strikes a deep nerve in the beings of most people with sexual inclinations (of any kind). When someone is not comfortable with an unfamiliar biological category, and when the differences include or consist of something sexual, it unsettles one’s world in a much more profound way than something less “innocuous” (less sexual) such as meeting a foreigner speaking a foreign language for the first time. It may not feel fair to the person on the receiving end of that perception, but it cannot necessarily be prevented.

As to the earlier statement of my being supposedly “annoyed,” the perceived annoyance has less to do with the topic per se, more to do with what in my view continues to be the subtext, which is, CAF posters should do something about other people’s “hatred” (“despising”). Given the previously mentioned sexual nature of it all (and the instinctive response to sexual subjects/realities), that’s expecting a lot.

The additional subtext seems to be that those who are not activists are filled with prejudice and are similarly “haters.” I know I’m exaggerating, but that is the logical extension of what is being argued. The fact is, most people can’t fight all battles in the universe. That’s why God made so many of us. We have different roles. My cause is not transsexualism, as I’ve explained before. That doesn’t make me or similar people less compassionate. It makes us busier educating about other things and acting on other causes.

When one wants not to be called names, it helps to set the example by not engaging in that same behavior. (Not to mention does it help to win more advocates in the cause.)

 

[Benadam]

to promote the term transgender in regards to transsex people would be taking a huge backward step.as it has already been shown in posts 123 and 153 there is too much difference to group the two as the same
(i think i got the post numbers right)
until a better term comes around i prefer to use the term transsex without the ‘ual’ as i have found that is often the part that steers people the wrong way.

I am just beginning to grasp the difference but not capable of integrating them into fluid thought processes.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Is this the question that was “not answered”?

I’ve never described myself or behaved as your “enemy.” I’m sorry, but this is one of aforementioned ways you bait people by asking them essentially ‘when they’re going to stop beating their wife.’ It’s a question that presumes an inaccuracy in order to be answered. You’ll forgive my attention to the rules of English and rhetoric, but it just annoys the heck out of me when debaters “set up” other people and then complain that their “questions aren’t answered.”

To sum up, from my point of view, it is not acceptable to be prejudiced and ignorant – not even from a human perspective, let alone a Christian one. And I sincerely hope I don’t have to keep saying that, don’t have to continually be challenged on that point, but it often seems that way. Nevertheless, to try to answer the original question of the OP, it may seem to be hatred, but I suspect that more often it is gut-level discomfort – whether on the part of some others who have posted on this thread, or the public at large. Unlike other kinds of rights and advocacies (disabilities of various sorts, elderly protection, more), anything touching on sexuality strikes a deep nerve in the beings of most people with sexual inclinations (of any kind). When someone is not comfortable with an unfamiliar biological category, and when the differences include or consist of something sexual, it unsettles one’s world in a much more profound way than something less “innocuous” (less sexual) such as meeting a foreigner speaking a foreign language for the first time. It may not feel fair to the person on the receiving end of that perception, but it cannot necessarily be prevented.

As to the earlier statement of my being supposedly “annoyed,” the perceived annoyance has less to do with the topic per se, more to do with what in my view continues to be the subtext, which is, CAF posters should do something about other people’s “hatred” (“despising”). Given the previously mentioned sexual nature of it all (and the instinctive response to sexual subjects/realities), that’s expecting a lot.

The additional subtext seems to be that those who are not activists are filled with prejudice and are similarly “haters.” I know I’m exaggerating, but that is the logical extension of what is being argued. The fact is, most people can’t fight all battles in the universe. That’s why God made so many of us. We have different roles. My cause is not transsexualism, as I’ve explained before. That doesn’t make me or similar people less compassionate. It makes us busier educating about other things and acting on other causes.

When one wants not to be called names, it helps to set the example by not engaging in that same behavior. (Not to mention does it help to win more advocates in the cause.)

Well whatever the word is to correctly describe you view of those in the gender community, it is not a positive one. Don’t get the idea because you merely disagree with me that you an automtic enemy. I happen to have someone who disagrees with me on my friends list, on account that person is atleast compassionate about it. Lets make a comparison Nino and Xyneshia both think transsexualism is wrong, but xyneshia is compassionate about, and one would have to be nuttier than a fruitcake to even entertain the idea Nino might possibly be.

 

[RedGecko]

BTW, wish me luck. I’m meeting with my parish priest in the morning.

Rachel, I prayed for you and your priest and your meeting, too. As followers of Christ, He will be there with you. I hope you will find reassurance and support from His loving presence.

 

[RedGecko]

Unlike other kinds of rights and advocacies (disabilities of various sorts, elderly protection, more), anything touching on sexuality strikes a deep nerve in the beings of most people with sexual inclinations (of any kind). When someone is not comfortable with an unfamiliar biological category, and when the differences include or consist of something sexual, it unsettles one’s world in a much more profound way than something less “innocuous” (less sexual) such as meeting a foreigner speaking a foreign language for the first time.

But does transsexualism have anything to do with sex? Granted, for some individuals it may involve surgery to alter sexual organs, but that is a private matter which has little to do with the wider world of social interactions.

People regularly talk about marriage or abstinence without getting a creepy feeling related to sex despite both topics being related to sex. I think this is also possible when discussing transsexualism.