Transsexualism, why is it so dispised

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I, too, was the recipient of such a letter although from an Aunt. A singular difference was her referral of me to the counselling availabilities of a church based organization in Colorado Springs, Colorado. That kind of “love” I can do without in my life. Uninformed ignorance perpetuates the loathing, the fear, and the drive to despise among many in our society.

Instead, I do have unconditional selfless love from my spouse, whose love does make me abundantly grateful. Further, I know I have the unconditional love of Christ, whose love and influence helps me to try to see around the log in my eye.

Melissa
 
A visible expression of something only known by most as an invisible reality.

A failure to resist temptations
A pathology of destructive decisions,
coping mechanisms extended to extreme’s.
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all these things are what we think are to blame for sexuality appearing disoriented.
in various degree they are to blame for us all. But what we blame is not visible.

Like us.

Earth expressing something only known in heaven.
That seems a mystery about heaven physically manifesting.

Maybe why transexuals, are despised.
 
A visible expression of something only known by most as an invisible reality.

A failure to resist temptations
A pathology of destructive decisions,
coping mechanisms extended to extreme’s.
,

all these things are what we think are to blame for sexuality appearing disoriented.
in various degree they are to blame for us all. But what we blame is not visible.

Maybe why transexuals, are despised.
Maybe you don’t understand the nature of transsexualism. It has nothing to do with sexuality.

Why don’t you try reading this thread? It is educational.
 
Here’s an example of the kind of thing I see every day.

It’s from just a few hours ago. A man “praying” for his sister:

May the Saints preserve me from such “unconditional love”.
(groan) Yes, that is the epitome of Christian hypocrisy, proclaiming love yet at the same time, voicing the opposite. Surely it makes the angels weep.

I truly understand why many who are out of the mainstream have such a poor opinion of Christianity. We Christians don’t do a very good job of representing our faith. 😦
I know this may be difficult to believe for you. For me, it’s just more of the same, what I’m used to. So much so that when we don’t get it, it often disorients us. Rejection, hatred, loathing, we’re used to, it’s par for the course. Water off a duck’s back. But the genuine article, real unconditional love, that can reduce us to helpless sobs.
Oh, Zoe, it is very easy for me to believe. We are are human and are full of flaws. Frequently I am appalled by the opinions voiced in the name of Christianity. I find such instances distressing, and want to rebuke these so-called Christians, but lack the realistic ability.

I wish I could offer more in conciliation. But I the more time I spend here at CAF, the more I think that religious attitudes are much like political attitudes. Some people are attracted to compassion and individual welfare, but others are attracted to strict rules and a consistent world-view. I think both views are within the Catholic Church – what any individual stresses is simply a matter of nuance.

At any rate, I hold you and yours in my prayers (not because I am a saintly person, but because I care.)
 
We Christians don’t do a very good job of representing our faith.
I must disagree with you there, strongly. YOU Christians - people like you - do a very good job indeed. What’s more, it only takes one of the genuine article to convince even an unbeliever like me that there’s something to it, regardless of the numbers who merely mouth platitudes. You’re the ones who take 1 Corinthians 13 seriously. It’s not hard to make the distinction. I have no right to complain if there’s only one diamond in the midden heap. Especially if the midden heap is actually composed of diamonds in the rough, if I only looked at it carefully. As Edward Wallis Hoch said:
There is so much good in the worst of us,
And so much bad in the best of us,
That it hardly behooves any of us
To talk about the rest of us.
You’re not the only one of your kind either. I know rather a lot. I consider myself extraordinarily privileged in that regard.

God Bless,
Zoe

p.s. All prayers gratefully accepted - and mirrored.
 
Lately there has been a certain type of thread in this forum that has been very polarizing, it’s about transgender type issues.Albeit only a few threads of this subject have been started, they turn out to be what amounts to very heated debates, with two very well defined sides. Lately nothing comes close to getting as heated as this subject or group of subjects. I’m mainly address the side that doesn’t agree with the transsexual outlook on the subject.
While there re those who mildly disagree and just agree to disagree, there is a very large contingent out there that with lots of vitrial despises anything having to do with gender issues. There is a large group who thinks they have the answers despite only reading an article here and there or not even doing that. They base what they think on conjecture not bases on any scientific type reading. Even though they read little or nothing at all they think they know enough to have the answers or know it all.
This same group doesn’t seem to care what the transgender person suffers through when trying to act like what is expected of someone of their body sexual identity. That type of suffering often leads to depression, and attempted suicide. It often leads to mental breakdown. The anti tg side seems not to care even when it’s children suffering from gender dysphoria. Counseling in a way to attempt to cure this condition often leads to worse depression than when left alone and that person more likely to attempt suicide, I know that from personal experience of acquaintances.
This type of group that thinks this way is hellbent on making those live as their sexual identity and the heck with brain gender. What I’m looking for is why!!! Now I can understand when we are talking one’s only family members, but when it’s not some one related to you, why does it bother you SO much? If I’m the neighbor across the street, if I’m a fellow parishioner, if I’m in the wait staff at the neighborhood diner,tell at your bank. What makes one so uncomfortable around transsexuals? When it’s a stranger why does one even care! Ultimately is isn’t really your business.
In the last year 2 transsexual who run a suicide prevention hotline have signed an order to purchase 2 “ghost towns” in the state of Texas.(because thats the state they live in) With hope and plans to build up a transgender friendly community, where those with those type issues can be themselves without the consequences of discrimination and societal hatred that other minority type group have experienced in the past. Because of the present poor economy things are going slow, but it’'s being worked on none the less. This project has many in waiting for it to get off the ground, me included. Many people are going to have to come to terms with that mind and body are not always congruent, that where possible people are going to fix the body to be congruent with the mind and because the opposite is not possible. Ill be happy to transition in my home town of Grand Rapids Michigan, or in the future transition in Texas. Either way I’m going to get to be the real me. Which is Catholic, right to life, amungst other things , and female what my soul is not have to pretend to be male what I never was inside. Science backs me up, and the scientific method backs me up, and what people see when I’m in Stephanie mode backs me up. Either agree to disagree or or keep to your self. I rest my case. I can accept friendly understanding people who can disagree with out being disagreeable. I’ve had enough of those who think their 10 minutes of reading on the subject trumps my 30 years of studying the subject.
I know nothing on the subject but I have read some of the postings on another thread. I sympathise and believe that society should be educated on this subject so that they can not only understand but treat such people as human beings deserving of our love and our consideration and support.

I think that setting up a community apart is the worse thing in the world to do. Transsexuals are part of humankind and thus part of our communities. We must accept them and live with them as we would with anybody else. DON’T isolate yourself - that is a mistake.

I must say that I have only had a glimpse of transsexuals and I would like to share with you my perception and impression. From the window of the premises where I worked some years ago I looked onto about 4 or 5 gay clubs. Some of the things I witnessed and my colleagues as well were not very nice. Arriving at work early one Monday morning I saw a pair of underpants next to one of the tables on the sidewalk! I am completely put off by “gay parades”. I do not like the promiscuity that is so blatently exposed and “showed off”. I believe that this kind of attitude gives a bad name and makes people not take them seriously. I might be mixing gay and transsexuals but I saw both mixing together.

I believe that gay people should live among us in a normal way. They must work, socialise and befriend everybody in a normal way. They must behave normally. I do not flaunt my sexuality and I don’t like people who do.

At my parish the priest has set up a “gay and lesbian group”. I plan to ask him what that actually means. However, I feel that there must be support for these people since they must be encouraged to fit in and feel like one among everybody else. I just want to see everybody get on with their lives in happiness and acceptance.

By the way, I would suggest you read your post before submitting because what you have said is interesting and you are obviously articulate but you should take a last look before submitting.

Cinette:)
 
I know nothing on the subject but I have read some of the postings on another thread. I sympathise and believe that society should be educated on this subject so that they can not only understand but treat such people as human beings deserving of our love and our consideration and support.

I think that setting up a community apart is the worse thing in the world to do. Transsexuals are part of humankind and thus part of our communities. We must accept them and live with them as we would with anybody else. DON’T isolate yourself - that is a mistake.

I must say that I have only had a glimpse of transsexuals and I would like to share with you my perception and impression. From the window of the premises where I worked some years ago I looked onto about 4 or 5 gay clubs. Some of the things I witnessed and my colleagues as well were not very nice. Arriving at work early one Monday morning I saw a pair of underpants next to one of the tables on the sidewalk! I am completely put off by “gay parades”. I do not like the promiscuity that is so blatently exposed and “showed off”. I believe that this kind of attitude gives a bad name and makes people not take them seriously. I might be mixing gay and transsexuals but I saw both mixing together.

I believe that gay people should live among us in a normal way. They must work, socialise and befriend everybody in a normal way. They must behave normally. I do not flaunt my sexuality and I don’t like people who do.

At my parish the priest has set up a “gay and lesbian group”. I plan to ask him what that actually means. However, I feel that there must be support for these people since they must be encouraged to fit in and feel like one among everybody else. I just want to see everybody get on with their lives in happiness and acceptance.

By the way, I would suggest you read your post before submitting because what you have said is interesting and you are obviously articulate but you should take a last look before submitting.

Cinette:)
You are saying I shouldn’t isolate myslef by moving to the transsexual friendly town I’m thinking of if and when it opens to settlers. The reason for me doing that is if I determine thats the only way I can transition and still be employed If and when it opens, if I’m stll in a situation here in Grand Rapids where optaining and keeping a job depends on me presenting as a male and putting off my transition. Im gone. I like pretending to be a amle about as much as I like the 34 kidneystones Ive passed. The town I mentioned in the post you are refering to has many serives for people like me planned out. I don’t plan to remain in a male role for the rest of my life. If transitioning means being separated from most of society, so be it. In any event. Thankyou for your concern it doe’s comfort me that there are decent people out there like you.
 
If you want to hear a “Perfect Storm” of bigotry - opinionated ignorance with most asserted “facts” completely and provably false, listen to this.

It’s not just Intersexed people who suffer from this bigotry - it’s their parents too. And anyone who shows them a trace of compassion.
 
this is the old diatribe…I am frugle while you are cheap…etc etc…this silencing of debate is like nazi germany back in the 30s! Those of us who have values different then the ruling class are painted into the corner of so called ‘hatemongers’…I ‘hated’ kids who came in late day after day and called their parents who were paying thru the nose to educate these kids…I ‘hated’ adults who molested the students and got away with it…if the girl ,for example ,goes to the police then it hits the fan.but if she goes to a school official its hushed up,the girl gets money and the teacher is allowed to resign and gets a clean resume…I hated and still hate this type of coverup…we Catholics are not allowed to pray in gov.schools,it must be pagan,we are not allowed to defend the unborn,we are not allowed to question social engineering and the special treatment accorded certain types annointed by the establishment,we are not allowed to mention Jesus by name but encouraged to mention with awe,Darwin,Freud and Marx…we must never criticize sexual promiscuity among any age group,never meddle in the lives of our children ,the state knows best,we must never cosult our own experience or that of history in making any decision…just check and see what is PC this week…we must NOT love our country…only the new world order…we must not even think of protecting our family and selves with weapons ,we must never ever be judgemental…only they can be…no wonder we feel like we have been ordered to jump leapfrog with a unicorn…a no win matter…ouch!!!
 
this is the old diatribe…I am frugle while you are cheap…etc etc…this silencing of debate is like nazi germany back in the 30s! Those of us who have values different then the ruling class are painted into the corner of so called ‘hatemongers’…I ‘hated’ kids who came in late day after day and called their parents who were paying thru the nose to educate these kids…I ‘hated’ adults who molested the students and got away with it…if the girl ,for example ,goes to the police then it hits the fan.but if she goes to a school official its hushed up,the girl gets money and the teacher is allowed to resign and gets a clean resume…I hated and still hate this type of coverup…we Catholics are not allowed to pray in gov.schools,it must be pagan,we are not allowed to defend the unborn,we are not allowed to question social engineering and the special treatment accorded certain types annointed by the establishment,we are not allowed to mention Jesus by name but encouraged to mention with awe,Darwin,Freud and Marx…we must never criticize sexual promiscuity among any age group,never meddle in the lives of our children ,the state knows best,we must never cosult our own experience or that of history in making any decision…just check and see what is PC this week…we must NOT love our country…only the new world order…we must not even think of protecting our family and selves with weapons ,we must never ever be judgemental…only they can be…no wonder we feel like we have been ordered to jump leapfrog with a unicorn…a no win matter…ouch!!!
Mr Nino, while I am transsexual. Did I ever mention because of my views several years ago 2 organizationsasked me to join them? The Michigan Militia, and the John Birch Society. I decline both at that time because at that time I was working 2 jobs 70 hours a week and was quite franky tired almost all the time. I think thats proff enough that I;m not some liberal new world order fruitcake. I’m just a human being trying to live who I truly am inside and help others like me be able to do the same, thats all. No grand conspiracy from me.
 
First of all, I want to say that I do respect your personhood. I think having a transsexual operation was a bad choice, a sinful choice, but we’ve all sinned, so I’m not in any position to lord it over you.

The major visceral problem people have with transsexualism is that it seems like an act of utter contempt against one’s own body, and against living with imperfections in one’s self-image. Almost like Roman suicide was an act of contempt against dying in your own time like other people, and living with things like shame and embarrassment.

It is like saying, on a far more personal level, “I don’t like my cat being a cat, so I’ll turn it into a dog by force. I don’t like my eyes being brown, so I’ll buy blue eyes from a corpse and have them transplanted. I don’t feel like I love you anymore, so I have a right to get rid of you. I don’t feel like I’m a klutz in my head, so I’ll change everything about myself with a knife, until my self-image matches the picture in my head. I don’t like myself being alive, so I have a right to kill myself.”

And since many people indeed struggle with self-images that contradict what actually exists, in ways that can’t be fixed without contradicting the Church or natural law, there is the visceral horror for others (which of course is not the transsexual’s fault) of seeing someone else do the sort of thing they have been fighting hard not to do. For the bulk of my life, for example, I have wanted very badly to kill myself. That is my self. Only by resisting my innermost, inborn desires can I survive at all. I have frequently desired strongly, deeply, and for long periods of time to kill certain other people. Only by resisting myself can I allow them life. So “this is who I really am, I am acting to make that manifest” is a very horrifying argument to us. If everyone in human society acted on who they really are, civilization could not exist. Even after baptism, the effects of original sin are always with us. Concupiscence is a very large part of who we really are.

Visceral horror is also exacerbated by purely personal feelings. If a handsome man or a beautiful woman, to whom one was attracted; or whom one saw as a very good example of that sex or as a model child without problems; should decide to have surgeries and hormones and becomes a different sex – well, that leaves cognitive dissonance and unresolved feelings that are pretty hard for one to deal with. Again, this is not the transsexual person’s fault, but it is certainly something that will tend to make other people unhappier with the situation and more viscerally horrified.

(Since a good number of people who have transsexual operations have spent their previous life working very hard to appear sexy to others, or are otherwise very extroverted to any outward appearance, they might actually affect more people in this way than someone who comes out as gay or whatever.)

It is perhaps natural that transsexuals should sometimes model their new appearance on people whom they know. Perhaps this happens unconsciously. But of the two people I know who have had transsexual operations, one modeled his new appearance partly on his ex-wife and partly on his boss, and another modeled her new appearance on a similarly well-known and popular singer/songwriter who was a friend in the genre they both did music in. Since most people at work and in the musical community would have found this sort of imitatory behavior strange without any sort of transsexual or transvestite behavior being involved, it seemed almost designed to elicit a bad reaction in the cases at hand. People studiously ignored it for the sake of manners, but they had to work at it. I don’t think anyone trusted themselves enough to mention the matter to the people directly, but there were a lot of embarrassed whispers.

Before all that, however, there are the effects of the drugs and hormones that people take. My workplace noticed these long before what was going on had been announced, and everyone was sure that the gentleman in question had contracted a serious or terminal disease. The mystery involved exacerbated this certainty, as did other recent deaths among our staff. People were very relieved to learn that he wasn’t going to die, but disturbed and angry that he would voluntarily hurt his health so severely. (He was very physically fit before.)

I’m sure that a lot more could be said on the subject of collateral visceral unrest, but I don’t really have a large number of examples to draw on.

The thing is, there are certain kinds of acts, even non-sinful ones, which stir up others in vast disproportion to the actual act committed. Those are the sorts of things that bluegrass singers write cautionary murder ballads about. You start with one guy committing adultery with his brother’s wife, which is bad of course. But though it’s not the adulterers’ fault that this sets off the cousin to kill them, and then bury a series of other wives in his backyard, and though it doesn’t happen all the time (thank God), it’s the sort of thing that does happen. Someone is perfectly within his rights to invite his ex-girlfriend to a party and kiss his new girlfriend in front of her, but it’s the kind of thing that sets people off. It’s fairly obvious that becoming a transsexual falls into the category of “stuff that sets other people off”, and it seems naive to imagine that it wouldn’t be. Anything that touches upon sex, identity, change, and relationships is a powderkeg in any human society. Add all the other stuff, and of course it’s going to be a big ball of mess.
 
Sure, we may at any given time be led down a path of scorn for first one person and then another, a group of souls and still some more, a people and sometimes nations, but one can surely hope that the overarching words of Christ “love one another as I have loved you” John 15:12 may direct thought patterns of those to whom the words have significance. Truly we each are possessed of the means to think howsoever we will. Governments, congregations, and others elevated to authority may address, even govern how we might act, but our thoughts are left to each of us.

In this thread, we have each read of a variety of positions taken on the question why transsexed and intersexed are so despised. None are capable of forcing another to adopt of refute any position advanced. Hopefully most are engaged in the quest to find answers to questions. I know I am. I have yearned to understand why I am despised because I am transsexed, a situation not chosen but to which I was born. I have read and learned so much, yet I still want to reach beyond that concept of fear which seems to drive many who react out of loathing and spite. I would like to know the love of my parents before they pass on, to know the love and acceptance of friends who now count themselves as former friends because “they know,” and to be allowed to co-exist safely with humankind regardless of my status.

In my career I found myself defending rights of groups whose agenda, whether religious, political, economic, or sexual with which I may not have agreed, and yet the very concept of defending opportunity to voice opinions and thought seemed to me a step in the direction of loving others as I have been loved. I so want to be loved for who I am regardless of the view of the onlooker, even as I want to love other souls regardless of their station in life. Complacence found our world rid of the breath of millions during World War II merely because of who they were, not because they were combatants. Genocide reaps its bountiful harvest time and again, more recently in Africa, again just because the victims were, not due to rationally directed love guided thought. In our time, the deaths of those transsexed and intersexed is marked annually to remember many of them have passed only because they were, not because they represented harm.

I write voicing hope that regardless of political correctness, regardless of the regime currently in power in any nation, regardless of the moral licitness to which human writings may hearken, we might just eventually reach out to one another embracing out of love and not casting aside out of a sense of loathing, spite, and scorn. It seems to me this thread has the prospect of reaching in that direction.
 
Mintaka, thank you for trying to explain why some people have a visceral dislike of transsexuals. I have to admit, I have never understood these negative reactions so I appreciate your taking the time to share your perspective.

I think you may be right about the discomfort and anger that people may feel when they have to re-adjust their image of, and attitude towards, a friend, co-worker or family member. I would guess (and I am just guessing) that these feelings would be stronger if the relationship is close and if the transsexualism wasn’t previously suspected.

Your point that changing one’s sex “seems like an act of utter contempt against one’s own body” intrigues me. It certainly fits the “self-mutilation” charge which has often been voiced in these forums. But I guess I still don’t understand where that visceral reaction comes from (although I accept that it is honestly felt.)

I wonder if part of the “self-mutilation” feeling originates in an individual’s own sense of body integrity, and a fear that it will be lost to them. I think we see some of that when people make jokes about a “poor” pet being neutered… the joke is in some sense a defense mechanism against one’s own sense of possible loss. I don’t think that is the only basis for the joke. I think it is also based upon a sense that some ideal state of existence is being taken away, and that in itself is an interesting belief.
And since many people indeed struggle with self-images that contradict what actually exists, in ways that can’t be fixed without contradicting the Church or natural law, there is the visceral horror for others (which of course is not the transsexual’s fault) of seeing someone else do the sort of thing they have been fighting hard not to do.
Thank you for sharing about your personal struggle, and I am very glad you have resisted giving in to that impulse.
So “this is who I really am, I am acting to make that manifest” is a very horrifying argument to us. If everyone in human society acted on who they really are, civilization could not exist. Even after baptism, the effects of original sin are always with us. Concupiscence is a very large part of who we really are.
I want to point out that transsexualism has nothing to do with sexual desire. It has to do with gender identity. Sex may ultimately enter the picture, because humans tend to be sexual, however that it isn’t the motivation for changing one’s gender expression.

Mintaka, you suggested that individuals expressing their inner feelings and identity without self-control is a threat to society. I think you are right that some self-control is necessary. Indulging in adultery and murder, for example, does threaten society. But where is the line between acceptable and unacceptable self-expression drawn? I believe a similar argument was used back in the 1960s when women began voicing a desire to work outside the home. It was argued by many that no women should have a job outside of the home if they had children, and that young women should be preparing for marriage and not for employment.
It is perhaps natural that transsexuals should sometimes model their new appearance on people whom they know. …Since most people at work and in the musical community would have found this sort of imitatory behavior strange without any sort of transsexual or transvestite behavior being involved, it seemed almost designed to elicit a bad reaction in the cases at hand. People studiously ignored it for the sake of manners, but they had to work at it. I don’t think anyone trusted themselves enough to mention the matter to the people directly, but there were a lot of embarrassed whispers.
Wow, thank you for mentioning this. It isn’t something I have ever thought about. I guess you are right that it is natural for someone, when developing their personality, to model it somewhat on others. Children do it as they grow up (which is why we speak of role models) and I suppose transsexuals would do it as well. Yes, I could see where it might be a bit creepy for those in a transsexual’s life to see him or her imitating (stealing, perhaps?) another adult’s personality.
Before all that, however, there are the effects of the drugs and hormones that people take. My workplace noticed these long before what was going on had been announced, and everyone was sure that the gentleman in question had contracted a serious or terminal disease. The mystery involved exacerbated this certainty, as did other recent deaths among our staff. People were very relieved to learn that he wasn’t going to die, but disturbed and angry that he would voluntarily hurt his health so severely. (He was very physically fit before.)
This case puzzles me, because I am not aware that taking estrogen and/or testosterone blockers would make someone appear sickly. I wonder peoples’ reactions are related to an image of an ideal state of existence, which they believed this transsexual had before starting on hormone therapy?
It’s fairly obvious that becoming a transsexual falls into the category of “stuff that sets other people off”, and it seems naive to imagine that it wouldn’t be. Anything that touches upon sex, identity, change, and relationships is a powderkeg in any human society.
I suppose so. I still don’t fully understand the negative reactions given to transsexuals, but I think your post is a valuable contribution to the discussion. Thank you for voicing your opinion, and for doing it so diplomatically. 👍
 
mm so your pastor shouted at you…wonder why if she did at all…you also use the term…truime god…what does that mean…that the creator of this universe is what…has three heads and hearts…why is it that ‘hate’ is only reserved for people that have opinions that are not PC…as in nazi germany the Jews were also accused of hate for the fatherland for they refused to worship the left wing natioanl socialist party.later nicknamed…nazi for short. I remember way back in our high school class a mock wedding was held in the auditorium…guys dressed as gals and the reverse…I went as a former president…a guy…for I just could not be a part of such nonsense…I never thought men dressed as women was funny…anyway what of public bathrooms…will there be a law soon that will allow anyone who feels he or she is a she or he for that day,go into that bathroom and what?..Freedom of Speech is being destroyed in this nation…we are becoming a dictatorship…of course our rulers are never wrong are they? Gee,thank Marx for earth warming imagine how cold and wet this spring would have been without it…
 
Nino may post as will be written, giving force to the notion of free speech based disgust. All we could ever ask is willingness to consider all that has been presented, but there remain those who in the name of freedom of expression will seek also to stir contempt. Nevertheless, it is simple to see where the OP originated, no doubt in response to such contempt.
 
Nino may post as will be written, giving force to the notion of free speech based disgust. All we could ever ask is willingness to consider all that has been presented, but there remain those who in the name of freedom of expression will seek also to stir contempt. Nevertheless, it is simple to see where the OP originated, no doubt in response to such contempt.
Yes and quite franly this Op is sick and tired of the contempt. Most of the contempt is from people who have no knowledge of psychology and human biology whatsoever or their knowledge of it is old and out dated. Then those people try to tell me what I know is incorrect after Ive studiied the issue for nearly a 1/3 of a century. people will tell me that God made me what I am. Im here to tell you that nature is what made my body what it is. If nature makes mistakes like, asiemtopic births, conjoined twins, hermaphrodites, people with six fingers, chromohemetosis, why do you suddnely change your tune when the idea of the wrong sex developing is brought up? To say all those things are natures fault then say nature can’t develop a human being where mind and body are not compatable is a blatent, hypoctritcal double standard, that doesnt hold a drop of water. one thing that still perplexes me still after how long this thread has been going is, when its someone who you don’t really even know, why do you even care!? Many will say they they don’t, but thise same people will make comments if they see one of us filling our car up at the gas station or stop going to a store or resturant if we get noticed working there. So obviously it must concern people to some extent. I have mentioned before that when a certain place opens up for transsexuals to settle Im moving there. The reason more than anything else is I want to go on with life , living it and transitioning as I plan to without consequences Im experiencing now for mere tiny bits of transition. Land of the free baloney, Im not free to be me!
 
Most of the contempt is from people who have no knowledge of psychology and human biology whatsoever or their knowledge of it is old and out dated. Then those people try to tell me what I know is incorrect after Ive studiied the issue for nearly a 1/3 of a century. people will tell me that God made me what I am.
I think you are pointing out something important.

Transsexuals are likely to have spent thousands of hours on the topic: wrestling with it, learning about it, contemplating its significance… because it is central to their life. And that is before they start living as the other sex. However, to most persons, its a topic which gets an hour or two of attention (at most), when the issue is presented to them… because transsexualism doesn’t really affect them.

So to most non-transsexuals, the decision to change one’s sex seems out of the blue, and beyond the pale. But its not a decision which is made lightly or without a lot of thought.
one thing that still perplexes me still after how long this thread has been going is, when its someone who you don’t really even know, why do you even care!? Many will say they they don’t, but thise same people will make comments if they see one of us filling our car up at the gas station or stop going to a store or resturant if we get noticed working there. So obviously it must concern people to some extent.
I dunno… some of it just be the natural bullying instinct to push around anyone who is “different.” But I do think many find the prospect of people changing their sex to be subconsciously threatening. Feminine gay men get much the same reaction. I’m not sure why that is. Perhaps the harassers fear losing their own body integrity or sexual orientation?
The reason more than anything else is I want to go on with life , living it and transitioning as I plan to without consequences
There will be consequences when you transition, and many of them will not be good ones. I’m not trying to dissuade you - just pointing out that transition means often losing friends and family. And persons who seem to straddle the gender fence (as many newly transitioned folk do) are in for a rough time. There most definitely are consequences, but they may be worth the sacrifice.
 
I think you are pointing out something important.

Transsexuals are likely to have spent thousands of hours on the topic: wrestling with it, learning about it, contemplating its significance… because it is central to their life. And that is before they start living as the other sex. However, to most persons, its a topic which gets an hour or two of attention (at most), when the issue is presented to them… because transsexualism doesn’t really affect them.

So to most non-transsexuals, the decision to change one’s sex seems out of the blue, and beyond the pale. But its not a decision which is made lightly or without a lot of thought.

I dunno… some of it just be the natural bullying instinct to push around anyone who is “different.” But I do think many find the prospect of people changing their sex to be subconsciously threatening. Feminine gay men get much the same reaction. I’m not sure why that is. Perhaps the harassers fear losing their own body integrity or sexual orientation?

There will be consequences when you transition, and many of them will not be good ones. I’m not trying to dissuade you - just pointing out that transition means often losing friends and family. And persons who seem to straddle the gender fence (as many newly transitioned folk do) are in for a rough time. There most definitely are consequences, but they may be worth the sacrifice.
The problem is the consequeces have made me loose my job and put my transition on hold. And some wonder why our suicide rate is so high. Now I’m forced into malehood to find a job. Where if I lived in a place like they are proposing for the No judgement project , I’d be transitioning and not loosing my way to make a living on account of it… When No judgement opens up for settlement. When I leave Grand Rapids for good, I’m shaking the dust off my feet or maybe even throwing my shoes out as a sign of my protest. With all the services for transpeople planned , I plan to be involved with transchildren, which is more meaningful than working reuler job making some greedy hellhound more moey.
 
Lately there has been a certain type of thread in this forum that has been very polarizing, it’s about transgender type issues.Albeit only a few threads of this subject have been started, they turn out to be what amounts to very heated debates, with two very well defined sides. Lately nothing comes close to getting as heated as this subject or group of subjects. I’m mainly address the side that doesn’t agree with the transsexual outlook on the subject.
I have not read all the posts in this thread, but I read a number of other things which Zoe linked in the thread about the 8yo receiving a sex-change operation.

I would like first of all to say that I really knew nothing about all this when I started reading the thread about the 8yo boy. I had only seen one person in a store once who seemed to be in the process of changing, and also met a person who had finished the changing (who was very nice 🙂 )

Having read the various links and seen that this is a real situation, not a situation related to some sort of psychological disorder but to a physical disruption, I would say that this is a cross which some have to bear, which is not to say that they cannot do anything about it (just as someone with a disability would have a cross to bear, but could work to alleviate it). Perhaps as the science becomes clearer, the Vatican will take another look at the problem from a theological standpoint.

Anyway, I would say that it is a huge problem that this is linked with homosexual activism. GLBT: the T stands for transsexual, which is the problem under discussion, if I understand correctly. The T does not stand for people who simply wear the clothes of the opposite sex for reasons of titillation, is that right? (Just want to clarify here so I’m not suddenly saying a bunch of stuff that doesn’t make any sense…)

Well, there is a difference between what you all are going through and the situation of homosexuals, and while homosexuals may be more receptive to your situation than non-homosexuals are, the fact is that homosexual behavior is wrong, disordered, and not to be accepted the way they want it to be.

I think that as long as your problem is linked with homosexual activism, that you will have a huge hurdle that you don’t need to have in discussing this with those who do not know very much about it. I think that I am with many others who don’t really care that much about what people do in private but who do object to the attempt to force acceptance of disordered behavior as normal.

There are many reasons for seeing that the homosexual agenda is destructive to society and is quite probably based on a larger underlying agenda, but I won’t go into that unless someone wants me to. Marriage has already been gravely weakened by these same forces, and the elements of this weakening are being used by the homosexual activists as levers to get their “lifestyle” accepted.

However, I will certainly try to clarify matters for people when the subject comes up, and appreciate your willingness to wade into this matter and educate people.
 
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