Transubstantiation

[prayerchanges]

As a person who needs to stay away from alcohol, does transubstantiation occur fully in the bread? Or does one need to receive the Blood of Christ as well?

 

[jkiernan56]

As a person who needs to stay away from alcohol, does transubstantiation occur fully in the bread? Or does one need to receive the Blood of Christ as well?

Christ is fully present in bread and wine that has been consecrated by a Priest. He is fully present - Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity in the “appearance” of Wine and/or Bread. If you partake only of one or the other species, you have fully received Christ. You do not receive “more” of Jesus if you partake of both Bread and Wine.

If a person has a problem with alcohol, they need only receive Christ in the form of Bread.

 

[DebChris]

Have you heard of Chablis. It is an organization for former alcoholics. The “cup of damnation” is replaced with the “cup of salvation.”

 

[diggerdomer]

As a person who needs to stay away from alcohol, does transubstantiation occur fully in the bread? Or does one need to receive the Blood of Christ as well?

Transubstantiation does not occur, it is simply a philosophical explanation adequate as one way to explain/understand what occurs.

What occurs is that the bread and wine truly become the Body and Blood of Christ.

No matter which species one receives, one receives the full True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist.

 

[japhy]

Transubstantiation does not occur, it is simply a philosophical explanation adequate as one way to explain/understand what occurs.

Maybe I’ve misunderstood you. The Catholic Church uses the term transubstantiation to describe the change in the substance of the bread and wine to the substance of the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Thus, at the consecration, it can be accurately said that the bread and wine transubstantiate into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Transubstantiation occurs, does it not?

 

[Sancto_Spiritu]

Maybe I’ve misunderstood you. The Catholic Church uses the term transubstantiation to describe the change in the substance of the bread and wine to the substance of the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Thus, at the consecration, it can be accurately said that the bread and wine transubstantiate into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Transubstantiation occurs, does it not?

I think digger is saying is that the notion of “transubstantiation” is a tool through which humans try to understand what exactly happens. I’m not saying digger is wrong or right, but it seems to be a case of hair-splitting in the highest order.

 

[japhy]

I think digger is saying is that the notion of “transubstantiation” is a tool through which humans try to understand what exactly happens. I’m not saying digger is wrong or right, but it seems to be a case of hair-splitting in the highest order.

It sounds like he’s saying “term doesn’t happen, but what term describes does happen,” which I would also call “hair-splitting [of] the highest order.”

 

[bpbasilphx]

As a person who needs to stay away from alcohol, does transubstantiation occur fully in the bread?

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**What do you mean “transubstiation ocur fully in the bread”? Are you saying that it doesn’t occur in the wine, too?

How would your sensitivty to alcohol affect the change at all?

Keep in mind that “substance” here has a technical theological and philosophial meaning. It’s not the same as that of common speech.**

 

[DebChris]

Transubstantiation takes place at the Consecration. The bread is transformed into the Body of Christ while the Wine becomes the Blood of Christ. The outward appearance remains the same.
Is Jesus Christ fully present in the Eucharist? Yes.
Jesus is fully present, Body, Soul, and Divinity in both the Bread and the Wine.
When a person receives either, he/she receives Jesus Christ whole and complete.
For instance, if a person is bedridden and cannot receive the host, that person can still receive Christ in the form of wine.
While both the Host and Wine may be offered during Communion, a person who only receives the Host has received Christ.
I think this is the question asked by the OP.

 

[FastLearner]

It sounds like he’s saying “term doesn’t happen, but what term describes does happen,” which I would also call “hair-splitting [of] the highest order.”

The issue is that you don’t want a Catholics arguing that transubstantiation does not occur. Unless that point is qualified by a detailed analysis confirming the Real Presence, such a statement could confuse someone who does not understand the basis of the word. That could lead to someone challenging an infallible doctrine because they misinterpreted the argument of a respected theologian.

 

[Seatuck]

As a person who needs to stay away from alcohol, does transubstantiation occur fully in the bread? Or does one need to receive the Blood of Christ as well?

A person receives the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ under either species. We do not need to receive both.

 

[prayerchanges]

thanks everyone