Transubstantiation

[jimmy]

Do we have to believe that no bread remains in the Eucharist after it is changed to the body and blood of Christ? Can we believe that it is still bread and wine while it is the body of Christ? Or do we have to believe that all that remains of the bread and wine are the “accidents”.

 

[thomann2]

It is no longer bread and wine just appearance from what I have read recently.

 

[Tom]

jimmy:

Do we have to believe that no bread remains in the Eucharist after it is changed to the body and blood of Christ? Can we believe that it is still bread and wine while it is the body of Christ? Or do we have to believe that all that remains of the bread and wine are the “accidents”.

Trans… sub… Why do we make it so confusing? I can’t even pronounce it (kidding). If we as a Church have made any errors, and I know we haven’t, but if we did it would be trying to justify our beliefs by reason. It’s His body, blood, soul and divinity because He says so, don’t ask how, just accept it.

 

[Mamamull]

Amen! Tom,

We can’t quite ever understand that Jesus would do any of the things he does for us sinners – His love is so superior to our understanding and belief of what is fair.

All I can say, based on my small (but greatly loved) moments of private revelation from our Eucharistic Lord, is that He is there. Many times all I can hear is Jesus saying, “I love you.” over and over and over. Wow, what a concept!

Check out Fr. Hardin’s writings at www.therealpresence.org.
he can state it so well.

 

[JimG]

After the consecrtion, the substance of the bread and wine is gone.
Only the appearances of the bread and wine remain.

Underneath those appearances is Jesus Christ, whole and entire, body and blood, soul and divinity.

Note that Jesus does not *take on * the appearances of bread and wine. He does not *assume the form * of a small round host. Rather, He is there in his entirety, only hidden beneath those appearances.

 

[mjdonnelly]

It’s a miracle, called a mystery in the eastern rites. It is not to be understood.

If you can then also add to the list of how 1 being can be 3, and how 3 can be 1.

 

[baltobetsy]

jimmy:

Can we believe that it is still bread and wine while it is the body of Christ?

That’s what the Lutherans believe, and it’s called “consubstantiation.” The prefix “con,” meaning “with,” indicates their belief that Jesus and the bread co-exist in the same place. As others have told you, this is not the case. Jesus is present, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity, under the appearances of bread and wine. The bread and wine no longer exist - only the physical “accidents” or characteristics remain.

Betsy