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I revived the “What’s in Barcelona?” thread, but it got a bit too long to read and didn’t get to my point, so I started this thread because I really need any information you could give me, thanks!!!

I would like suggestions/information, from anyone who can help me, on how to go about making this Barcelona trip a success. Here are some questions I have, but please feel free to add any information that would help me in having a positive experience, thanks in advance for taking the time to help me with this:thumbsup: :blessyou:.
  1. What is the best time of year to go to Spain?
  2. As you all know I have a 2yo son (he’s almost three), should I take him with me (I would love to share this with him) or leave him with family? If I take him with me, should I travel with another adult (maybe my mom or sister)?
  3. Should I look for a group to go with (a group pilgrimage) or would traveling by myself be easier to do with a toddler?
  4. What would be the least expensive way to take this trip?
  5. How long should the trip be to make sure that it is a positive and fun experience (I hate feeling rushed:o )?
  6. Where else should we go/visit since we’ll be in Europe already?
Your suggestions, advice, opinions, experiences, etc., will be greatly appreciated…thanks!!!
 
no offense, but a 3 year old won’t comprehend what he is experiencing. it will be undo burden on you and your child. three years ago we travelled to paris and rome with a 10 and a 12 year old, they enjoyed it for awhile and but it was still too much for them.
 
Lexee15,
I just got back from my third trip to Spain this May, so I can give you tons of suggestions, although you should know that I’ve been just about everywhere in Spain EXCEPT for Barcelona. I also recommend the Rick Steves travel site. In fact, just this weekend I was a phone-in guest on his radio show. I’ll post some ideas in a little bit for you.
 
Lexee15,
I just got back from my third trip to Spain this May, so I can give you tons of suggestions, although you should know that I’ve been just about everywhere in Spain EXCEPT for Barcelona. I also recommend the Rick Steves travel site. In fact, just this weekend I was a phone-in guest on his radio show. I’ll post some ideas in a little bit for you.
Thanks…this should be interesting…I can’t wait:D!!!
 
My first question would be… are you looking primarily for a pilgrimage experience, or a trip to Europe that contains a lot of religious sites and has some of the elements of a pilgrimage? There are certainly tons of Catholic locations in Spain, Portugal, and southern France that you could see. Lourdes is just across the border in France, Fatima is south of Lisbon in Portugal, Santiago de Compostela, the burial site of St. James, is in NW Spain, and the Cathedrals of Toledo and Seville are the 5th and 3rd largest in the world.

Now that said, there’s plenty of wonderful secular things to see as well, including the Palacio Real and the Prado Museum in Madrid, El Escorial, the Alhambra (the famed Moorish palace), and Cordoba, which has excellent Jewish, Catholic, and Muslim sites all in one place.
 
My first question would be… are you looking primarily for a pilgrimage experience, or a trip to Europe that contains a lot of religious sites and has some of the elements of a pilgrimage? There are certainly tons of Catholic locations in Spain, Portugal, and southern France that you could see. Lourdes is just across the border in France, Fatima is south of Lisbon in Portugal, Santiago de Compostela, the burial site of St. James, is in NW Spain, and the Cathedrals of Toledo and Seville are the 5th and 3rd largest in the world.

Now that said, there’s plenty of wonderful secular things to see as well, including the Palacio Real and the Prado Museum in Madrid, El Escorial, the Alhambra (the famed Moorish palace), and Cordoba, which has excellent Jewish, Catholic, and Muslim sites all in one place.
I’m not necessarily looking for an exclusive pilgrimage, not for this trip anyway, especially since, most likely, I’ll have ds with me so I wouldn’t want to mess up anyone’s pilgrimage experience:o.

I would like a trip that contains a lot of religious sites, the main purpose of the trip is to visit OL of Mercy and OL of Montserrat, so those are two places I HAVE to visit, everything else will be a bonus:D!!! I would love to see Lourdes and Fatima if it’s possible also:thumbsup:. I would like to do some fun stuff too that doesn’t need to be religious:D :p!!!
 
Ok, question #2 would be how long do you want to travel for, and what is your budget? The exchange rate is not that great right now, but Spain is still cheaper than most places in Europe.

8-9 days is really the minimum you should stay, 14-17 days would be necessary to see everything I listed and be really thorough. 12 days might be a good compromise.

Oh, another site I forgot that’s in Spain is Avila, famous for St. Teresa of Avila, a doctor of the Church, and St. John of the Cross, famous for his “Dark Night of the Soul”. It’s fairly close to Madrid, and one of the few cities in Europe with it’s medieval walls remaining completely intact. That said, Avila really works best as a photo or lunch stop on the way to somewhere else, as there’s not THAT much to see besides a pretty town. Most tours will include it though.

Another question… do you have any desire to see Gibraltar or Morocco? Both are easy day trips from southern Spain. Although Morocco is predominantly Muslim, even a quick trip to Morocco will certainly give you a different perspective on the world. Tangier is a gargantuan culture shock! 😛
 
Ok, question #2 would be how long do you want to travel for, and what is your budget? The exchange rate is not that great right now, but Spain is still cheaper than most places in Europe.

8-9 days is really the minimum you should stay, 14-17 days would be necessary to see everything I listed and be really thorough. 12 days might be a good compromise.

Oh, another site I forgot that’s in Spain is Avila, famous for St. Teresa of Avila, a doctor of the Church, and St. John of the Cross, famous for his “Dark Night of the Soul”. It’s fairly close to Madrid, and one of the few cities in Europe with it’s medieval walls remaining completely intact. That said, Avila really works best as a photo or lunch stop on the way to somewhere else, as there’s not THAT much to see besides a pretty town. Most tours will include it though.

Another question… do you have any desire to see Gibraltar or Morocco? Both are easy day trips from southern Spain. Although Morocco is predominantly Muslim, even a quick trip to Morocco will certainly give you a different perspective on the world. Tangier is a gargantuan culture shock! 😛
I’ve always had a “romantic” dream of visiting Monaco, but I think I would thoroughly enjoy Morocco!!! I could stay, at least, 12 days…a little more if needed, if I’m going to make this trip it may as well be well worth it:D, not sure when I’ll get to go back:p.

What kind of budget do you think would be needed, I’ve been saving, but if I had a ball park figure of how much money is needed I’d know how close I am in my savings. Also, I tend to pay for the “little extras” when traveling, just wanted to share that so you get an idea of what kind of traveler I am:p :D.
 
In Barcelona, be very, very, very careful of pickpockets! I am a streetwise, city girl, and had been warned. But, we were traveling with a little one (as you plan to do – in this case my year old granddaughter), and two **extremely **elderly women were all over us with coo’s and ah’s about the baby. It was charming. Until I realized an hour later that had lifted my cash! Very smooth.

Other than that, it was a wonderful trip. I absolutely loved it. Barcelona is very family friendly, and with all the outdoor restaurants we were quite at home with the wee one.
 
In Barcelona, be very, very, very careful of pickpockets! I am a streetwise, city girl, and had been warned. But, we were traveling with a little one (as you plan to do – in this case my year old granddaughter), and two **extremely **elderly women were all over us with coo’s and ah’s about the baby. It was charming. Until I realized an hour later that had lifted my cash! Very smooth.

Other than that, it was a wonderful trip. I absolutely loved it. Barcelona is very family friendly, and with all the outdoor restaurants we were quite at home with the wee one.
Thanks for this information!!! Back to one of my main questions…what is the best time of year to go? When did you go?
 
Thanks for this information!!! Back to one of my main questions…what is the best time of year to go? When did you go?
We went in early August and it was a bit hot some afternoons, but not unbearable as it is right on the ocean, of course. And the nights were lovely. We went to the (public) beach two of the days – which was great. The city’s transportation (subway) was easy to get around on, even with the stroller. People were delightful (except the two old brujas – witches – who stole my money :o ), food was tremendous, architecture amazing . . . I would go back in a minute.
 
Thanks for this information!!! Back to one of my main questions…what is the best time of year to go? When did you go?
Agreed on pickpockets in Barcelona. The Las Ramblas area is notorious for them, and you will find them in a few other areas of Spain too. It’s not a huge issue as long as your smart… keep backup copies of ALL documents, NEVER wear a wallet, use a money belt instead, and never put your purse next to your chair in a restaurant. Also make sure your camera is in your hand or LOCKED in a security waistpack (Pac-Safe makes a great product with locking zippers). If your camera is around your neck, you’ll lose it for sure. Gypsies do tend to be the most typical pickpockets, but they can look like anyone, old or young, and some are even dressed in business suits. When its closer to your time to go, I can give you more information.

As for the time of year, Spain can be cool in the winter, and very hot in the summer (think Texas… 90s in the summer is typical, 100s are common also). I went in May this year, and as the expression goes… the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain… It was 96 when I arrived, and then we had a week of downpours and 65 degree temps. May has very unpredictable temps. I went in October another time and it was pleasant, with 60s to around 70 in Madrid for highs, low 40s for lows. I would think September might be a good time, since it would be a bit warmer than October, but not 100. June is also good if you don’t mind the heat, but still want to beat the tourists. You’ll also get to enjoy the beaches, which are beautiful and world famous.
 
  1. What is the best time of year to go to Spain?
That is really subjective, it completely depends on what you want to do/see and where you want to go. Anytime between April and October would be good, however July & August are going to be high season and in August many things will be closed b/c that is when Europeans head to their vacations-- beach resorts will be very busy at that time of year.
  1. As you all know I have a 2yo son (he’s almost three), should I take him with me (I would love to share this with him) or leave him with family? If I take him with me, should I travel with another adult (maybe my mom or sister)?
Don’t take your 2yo.
  1. Should I look for a group to go with (a group pilgrimage) or would traveling by myself be easier to do with a toddler?
If you’ve never traveled internationally before, a group might be a good way to go-- honestly a woman traveling alone in Spain isn’t a great idea, especially if you’ve never traveled internationally or don’t speak the language. Tour groups like Trafalgar tours are reputable and safe. They are efficient and help you get oriented. The drawback is that you go where they go, and you are limited on time b/c you have to follow their schedule.

My trick: I order catalogs/brochures from tour companies and then copy their itineraries. They often have the best routes/itineraries, can give you an idea of the amount of time to allocate (but you need to add in some extra b/c they often are super efficient and you have to have add the “I wonder where the train station is” factor) and then I just add/change/delete as I see fit.
  1. What would be the least expensive way to take this trip?
Research the cr*p out of all your options and make a spreadsheet. Visit websites like Rick Steves, Frommers, etc. Buy a couple of travel guides and if you are going it on your own get a good map of Spain-- one of those map books that has all the roads so you can compute distance, time, gas usage (gas is very expensive over there).

Compare rental car prices (go through www.kemwel.com as they are the cheapest I’ve found for Europe) to train prices (research train passes on the Eurail website) and other public transport like buses and subway in cities. In the cities, a car is a pain, but driving across country it’s often a good way to see sites. Eurail also has train/drive passes where you get X days on train and X with rental car.

Go online and research hotels and different levels of prices. The dollar is weak so buying things in dollars ahead of time can be a good idea-- car rental, hotel, train tickets, etc-- if you can.

Plan your itinerary to the last iota. Research admission prices to attractions/museums, research museum passes and such and add that in to your costs.
  1. How long should the trip be to make sure that it is a positive and fun experience (I hate feeling rushed:o )?
Again, subjective. Depends on what you are trying to see and do and where they are located geographically in proximity to each other. Remember, 2 days will be travel, and the first day you will have jet lag. For a major city like Barcelona, Madrid, etc, I’d allow at least 2 days or 3 if possible and you have to allow travel time (more research of train schedules)-- and Toledo is a day trip from Madrid. Santiago de Compstello is in the far NW corner of Spain, that’s a trip all of its own.
  1. Where else should we go/visit since we’ll be in Europe already?
Spain is a very large country. Don’t try to overdo it. Unless you happen to book a flight on an airline that goes through another country-- for example, if you flew British Airways and changed through London-- then do an open jaw flight and stay over in that city a few days if budget and schedule allow.

Also, check with Iberia Airlines-- the national airline of Spain-- to see if they have package deals. Check American airline companies too for their international packages. And, don’t forget about travel agents-- international travel is where they are really worth it. They can often get good ticket prices.
 
I agree with all of the advice above. The first time I went to Spain, I went with Trafalgar Tours and was very satisfied. Cosmos Tourama and Globus Gateway (the same company, but Cosmos is the discount line) is another reputable company that I’ve traveled with.

Spain is very big, and they don’t speak much English there. I would recommend one of two itineraries.
  1. Barcelona, northern Spain, and southwestern France, including Lourdes. I would include the Madrid area in this itinerary.
    (In other words, a northern Spanish route)
OR
  1. Start in Madrid, go over to Lisbon, down to Fatima, over to Seville/Granada/Costa del Sol (perhaps add Tangier) and then take the AVE train to Barcelona at the end and depart from there.
    (In other words, a southern Spanish route)
Either would be wonderful, but the second tour seems to be more common. It will also let you see parts of three countries, including the vast majority of Spain. I took the same tour (without Barcelona) and enjoyed it tremendously. Since you’ve never been to Europe, a tour will likely be the best way to go. Once you learn the ropes of foreign travel, you can go back to other places with some practical knowledge of how to do it on your own and what you’d do differently.
 
What kind of budget do you think would be needed,
That is VERY subjective. It depends on so many factors.

I’m a super cheapskate, but I’ve travelled Europe extensively and gotten a lot better at it.

The airfare will be the most expensive, more in summer and a lot cheaper in the off season.

Hotels/B&B will be expensive, gone are the days of cheap sleeping in Europe. Also, over there they price *per person *in the room and often a single is a lot more expensive than a double or triple so traveling alone raises your pricing. I’d expect to pay between 50 and 150 Euros for a room, depending upon location, ammenties, etc. That’s for a dive or a B&B in the city-- maybe a little less in small towns. Forget first class hotels.

A lot of internet sites will charge in dollars, and/or prepay. Anything you can prepay is to your advantage-- the dollar isn’t going to get any better this year. And, anything priced in dollars and paid for before you leave is great. I booked hotels and car over the internet on the last trip I took.

Car rental is expensive, and gas is very pricey, Kemwel is pretty cheap for a little cheapy standard transmission. Eurail can have good deals but expect to pay a couple of hundred $ for passes.

Food-- lots of ways to each cheap including visiting markets and making sandwiches for your backpack. Sit down dinners are going to be much more expensive. Again-- go to the guidebooks and look for the cheap eats.
but if I had a ball park figure of how much money is needed I’d know how close I am in my savings.
12 days, high season: I would not plan on less than $3K, and if you don’t have anyone to split room, car, etc, expenses with probably more. And if you want to stay in nice places, eat in restaurants 3x a day, etc, double it.
Also, I tend to pay for the “little extras” when traveling,
Forget it. Pack light, lug your own suitcase, stay in the cheap places, and splurge on one nice meal or one special thing.
 
Not sure about Barcelona, but in Rome renting an apartment was less expensive than a hotel. Plus with a kitchen you can save on meals. We thought it was more home like than a hotel. If you travel w/ your son and another adult, an apartment might be nice.

I’ve also stayed in convents in Rome, so you might check to see if Barcelona has any. No kitchen, but pretty economical.

I second Rick Steeves. You might want to read one of his books before making any final decisions.

I’ve found air fare to be less from Feb through April and Sept to Nov. Summer and Christmas/ New Years is often more expensive.
 
Forget it. Pack light, lug your own suitcase, stay in the cheap places, and splurge on one nice meal or one special thing.
Agreed. Here’s how to pack for Europe:
  1. Pack your suitcase with what you think you will need
  2. Open it back up
  3. Take HALF of it out!
Coordinate your clothes around one color so that anything will match anything. Bring some packets of laundry detergent and a clothesline and take an hour to wash your clothes in the sink. It’s an inconvenience, but you will have more room to bring stuff home and have much less to lug around.

It is possible to still find cheap places to stay. $45-60 a night is still possible in the historic heart of Madrid for a very nice two-star hotel which would beat any Motel 6 or Super 8 in the US. I stayed at the Hostal Cervelo / Hostal Martin in Spain, and it was quite nice (although the walls are thin and the rooms are small, like most in Europe). A hostal in Spain is not just a room with bunkbeds and a bunch of strangers. Most have private rooms with private bathrooms too (although if you go in the summer, make sure it has AC. This is NOT a given!) Remember, you are using your hotel room as a place to sleep, that’s it! You will be on the go most of the time. No one wants to pay $3000 to stay in their room.

For meals, use common sense. If you’re going to eat at a nice restaurant, eat lunch as your main meal of the day. You’ll save 30% off of the dinner prices. Then, go to a market and make your own sandwiches or eat something small for dinner. Alternatively, many tours will include a good many meals, and you usually save a lot of money that way. Be SURE to sample the local cuisine, and NOT just eat McDonalds!!! If you do want to splurge on a special meal or two, that’s fine, but make it something special. For example, eat outside in the romantic Plaza Mayor in Madrid, or have Roast Suckling Pig at the restaurant where Hemmingway wrote The Sun Also Rises.
 
Then, go to a market and make your own sandwiches or eat something small for dinner.
I agree. One of my most memorable meals in Rome was a sandwich I had made fresh at a market. (fresh bread, fresh salami, fresh cheese) I also bought some strawberries. I ate them while people watching in the Piazza del Popolo.

Another great meal was something similar but on the steps of the Pantheon. Oh, I want to go back to Rome!!
 
Here’s some possible itineraries. Most Spain tours that include Portugal do NOT include Barcelona, so Fatima might be a bit challenging to get to. I’ve also found that it’s very difficult to get to Santiago de Compostela. Another thing I was just thinking of that’s a don’t miss… make SURE you go to a Flamenco show!

Trafalgar 16 day Best of Spain (from $2499 per person w/o airfare, optional excursions not included)
trafalgartours.com/USA/DisplayTour?TourID=6516&RegionID=0&CountryID=31&TypeID=0&LengthID=0&BudgetID=0&TimeID=0&Keywords=&BrochureTypeID=-1&_page=0

Pros: You’ll see most of Spain, including Barcelona, Avila, etc. Optional excursion available to Tangier for a day. Optional excursion to Monserrat would be a mandatory for you, and the price is reasonable.

Cons: Only 2 days in Barcelona, no Fatima or Lourdes, but given how much you see, it’s a pretty good compromise.

Here’s a similar 14 day tour from Globus, starting at $2189, w/o airfare, optional excursions not included)
globusjourneys.com/product.aspx?content=map&trip=8ZX&source=map-2

Another option would be a 13 day tour like this from Globus, where you ADD ON days in Barcelona so that you’d be on your own there and could take your time.
globusjourneys.com/product.aspx?content=map&trip=8ZW&source=map-2

Pros: Includes Fatima, includes Tangier. Gives you your own schedule in Barcelona, price is only $1969 w/o air or excursions

Cons: Will be a bit more expensive, could approach 17 days, does not include Cordoba, which is a very desirable city to see.

This Cosmos tour is similar to the ones above, but includes a visit to the Sanctuary of St. Ignatius of Loyola, who founded the Jesuits:
cosmos.com/product.aspx?content=map&trip=86850&source=map-2
 
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