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What does that have to do with what I said? I think you are simply being argumentative. I just happen to disagree with the degree to which you are carrying your point, and I don’t feel that the Mass is so interconnected that one can maintain that a Mass in Brisbane actually directly affects the people Sacramento.
Again, you are being argumentative. I didn’t complain, but made a relevant point about the discussion. I wished to expand the concept of what exclusive could mean as you insisted it to be to include the real experience of Catholics in the pew, rather than continuing to be nothing but a matter of disputation. How you receive my point of view has absolutely nothing to do with the USCCB. And whether I am writing or requesting the EF Mass has nothing to do with what we are talking about. I really must think you merely love to argue and respond to each point with whatever you think will score a point and keep losing track of the issue at hand.
Wrong, I am merely interested in considering all Catholics affected by things when I choose to post on message boards about those issues rather than merely assuming that everybody must be just like me and have just what I have. I do also want whatever Holy Mother Church wants, and she has spoken on the EF. If you think people in one place who don’t have what the Holy Father has said they should be able to have can merely rest on the fact that somebody has it somewhere, then I think you are confused about what the Church is trying to do and are not considering real people with real lives.
No, you are taking extreme cases to try to build an argument that doesn’t hold. A Mass in one country simply doesn’t change the life of a Catholic somewhere else. The fact that there is one kind of Mass in some place, ad orientem was what was originally discussed, doesn’t make up for the places that don’t have it. Versus populum is exclusive to the people who never get to see otherwise. The same is true for the OF and EF. Whether you think people want these or will go is not the point, and reflects nothing more than your taste. On this subforum I take it for granted that the people discussing these things do want them and start from there.
I know that. Your point that one Mass in some remote region offered in one way somehow affects the people a thousand miles away in any real direct way was at issue. I was giving an example to show that this thinking does not really reflect a meaningful understanding of exclusivity.
Yes, I am sure you have, and if it were relevant we could discuss it. It isn’t, though, since I didn’t call you that. I was talking about what traditionalists experience, which is often a world of exclusively OF Masses, or exclusively versus populum Masses. I think this exclusivity is more real than the way in which you use it, though I think your point is valid. But, it seems to me that your obsession with winning an argument has clouded your ability or willingness to listen and talk.
Must people on this forum become condescending in every discussion? First I need a dictionary, and now I should calm down. What’s next? Are you going to start calling me “dear?”
Okay, perhaps that was your intention, but you certainly did not voice it and simply put the computer and TV out there. In context I had no reason to think you meant to do anything other than suggest an equivalence.I wasn’t suggesting it was the same thing at all. I was suggesting it as a stopgap measure. The same as I would suggest to someone who was bedridden and couldn’t get to Mass and missed it that they watch on TV as well. Obviously you’re not going to get an EF in your diocese by Sunday even under the best possible circumstances, so in the meantime you (and others who want one but can’t get it) must just do what they can.
However, that is beside the point anyway, as I am not arguing about some emergency due to deprivation of the EF for myself, but merely that it is not some global number that matters to people but what is happening in their particular Church. If we are going to maintain that people should just be happy with their Mass and not bicker about these things then we should also be willing to consider that they may not have the opportunities that we do to go to the Mass of their choice. That is why I wished to make my point about real exclusivity vs theoretical exclusivity.
