I agree with this. Once I found out about the TLM it wasn’t hard to decide at all. There wasn’t even a need to compare my 23 bleak years of NO attendance to my first TLM. I just knew that the TLM was it for me, and I’ve never gone back to the NO, not even once. It’s just too bad that up until recently the TLM was so stifled by the clergy that many younger folks didn’t even know it existed, which was a great disservice to many of us.I haven’t had any problems knowing what I prefer. No, not hard to decide at all.
Wow, deacon, it’s wonderful to hear an OF person say that. Now if only catharina and ethelzguy would realize what you have. Thank you for your candor.It is a right of each of us and should not be disputed or denigrated by anyone.
Prayers and blessings
Deacon Ed B
How amusing and peculiar to be mentioned by someone who doesn’t know me at all. Since you clearly don’t know me but would notch me into a slot of your sterotypical thinking:Wow, deacon, it’s wonderful to hear an OF person say that. Now if only catharina and ethelzguy would realize what you have. Thank you for your candor.
I wouldn’t have been able to guess from some of your previous posts, unfortunately I can’t pull them up because the two threads they were on were ‘mysteriously’ deleted. I think somebody with a little more clout around here than I have complained to a moderator. Of course I can’t prove that either, because when I asked said moderator I didn’t receive a reply. Oh well.How amusing and peculiar to be mentioned by someone who doesn’t know me at all. Since you clearly don’t know me but would notch me into a slot of your sterotypical thinking:
my preference is for the EF.
BTW, Deacon Ed does know that about me.
I don’t think it’s ‘fear’. But lets make no mistake about the matter, it doesn’t stem from ‘best intentions’ that they don’t offer both forms either. It’s probably mostly out of laziness coupled with the desire not to be seen as having been wrong and unjust toward EF-minded faithful…It’s rather amusing how some churches seem downright afraid to offer both.
It’s such a mistake to presume things, isn’t it?I wouldn’t have been able to guess from some of your previous posts, unfortunately I can’t pull them up because the two threads they were on were ‘mysteriously’ deleted. I think somebody with a little more clout around here than I have complained to a moderator. Of course I can’t prove that either, because when I asked said moderator I didn’t receive a reply. Oh well.
I’m glad to hear you prefer the EF. Question: which do you attend more on Sundays, the EF or OF?
Perhaps the Holy Father and Cardinal Hoyos think that the EF will bear good fruit even among those who don’t prefer it. Maybe they think that priests learning to say Mass in that form will find a growth spiritually and liturgically which will also affect how they say Mass in English. It may also be possible that these men don’t believe that it is really fair to say that people don’t desire it when they have not been able to experience it, and this would include most younger people who have been denied such a form since the EF has been suppressed for so long.But why have it available where there are not those that desire it? I can understand why those that prefer this want this available to them. What I can not understand is the desire to see it in parishes where no one wants it and they will never attend.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that what a presumption is?It’s such a mistake to presume things, isn’t it?
Especially it’s a mistake to presume things when you lack facts.
Well don’t stop now…I asked you about which form you attend on Sundays…Two letters will be enough. Shoot, you can even leave off the “F” if you’d like and just give me an O or an E.If you’d asked my preference, I’d have told you.
For the future, do I care for any further exchanges with you?
Really, thanks - but no thanks.
It’s so easy to recognize when another poster revels in insult and divisiveness - and that, whether the objectionable poster is new or of the more vintage persuasion.Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that what a presumption is?
Well don’t stop now…I asked you about which form you attend on Sundays…Two letters will be enough. Shoot, you can even leave off the “F” if you’d like and just give me an O or an E.
To quote one of my favorite CAF people:It’s so easy to recognize when another poster revels in insult and divisiveness - and that, whether the objectionable poster is new or of the more vintage persuasion.
Wha…? I asked you a question. How is that considered ‘argumentation’? Is it so hard to answer such a simple question, or is it that you won’t deign to stoop so low?I don’t care to deal with you.
It’s that simple. I don’t like your style.
Pursue your argumentaions without my involvement.
Well, that’ll happen. I am very young, and you…well, I am very young.Among other things, you bore me.
Thank you. I’m not sure which ‘buddies’ you’re talking about, but thank you anyway.Needless to say (?),
I’ll pray for you and your buddies.
Not so fast. Where you define that someone has a right to something, you define that someone else is bound to provide it. We do not have an unlimited number of priests, nor priests with an unlimited number of hours in a day.Here is what I said: “People should be able to hear the EF at their own parish if they so desire.”
Problem solved.
The question is whether it is preferable, both pastorally and from a standpoint of limited resources in terms of priests, to offer the EF in fewer places to somewhat larger groups.All that’s needed is a stable group, right?
I think that’s the situation in many locales.The question is whether it is preferable, both pastorally and from a standpoint of limited resources in terms of priests, to offer the EF in fewer places to somewhat larger groups.
I’m speaking of metropolitan areas, where several parishes exist within a rather small geographic region. I’m not saying people who desire the EF should endure onerous travel when it can be avoided.
If the choice is between giving families in the sticks an OF and giving families closer in an EF as a choice, though, I’d have to agree with a bishop who makes certain everyone has access to a** Mass within a reasonable driving distance before making certain that the EF is as conveniently available as I think we’d all prefer. That is the situation we’re looking at in Oregon.
Please excuse me intruding but I am curious about something. I think what you say here makes sense, and of course all people should be willing to consider what demands are placed on both the ordinary and the priests. But I cannot help but wonder why it is so impossible for priests, who undertake study to be able to offer the sacraments, to be able to say two forms of Mass? Why does this really require so much of anybody that we cannot imagine being able to offer both?If the choice is between giving families in the sticks an OF and giving families closer in an EF as a choice, though, I’d have to agree with a bishop who makes certain everyone has access to* a* Mass within a reasonable driving distance before making certain that the EF is as conveniently available as I think we’d all prefer. That is the situation we’re looking at in Oregon.
Why put the faithful out (even if this has been the constant practice for 40 years)? Why should the faithful have to continue to suffer? I’ve used this example before and I’ll use it now. My mom likes to ride her bike, walk, or jog to Mass at the church that has been her parish for the last 34 years. If she and a stable group wanted the TLM how would they feel to be told that they have to go to the next closest church which is three miles further? It add another hour or so to the priest’s morning by having to celebrate two Masses. In the parishes that have more than one priest (like my mom’s that has 4, and has more priests regularly visiting), it’d be even easier. One priest does the OF, the other the EF.The question is whether it is preferable, both pastorally and from a standpoint of limited resources in terms of priests, to offer the EF in fewer places to somewhat larger groups.
Well that’s the point, people want to attend Mass at their own parish without having to inconvenience themselves. Even an extra three miles is quite a difference when you’ve been going to your regular parish church that is two blocks from the house for the last 34 years…I’m speaking of metropolitan areas, where several parishes exist within a rather small geographic region. I’m not saying people who desire the EF should endure onerous travel when it can be avoided.
Perhaps the Holy Father does, perhaps he doesn’t. He is certainly in a position to act on what he believes best. I guess when the Holy Father acts, we will know what he thinks.Perhaps the Holy Father and Cardinal Hoyos think that the EF will bear good fruit even among those who don’t prefer it.