Tree of Life

[BelFarfalla]

Hi
Did Jesus receive Word from GodAllahYHWH or not?
If he received and he used to secure it, naturally; where is that? I am not talking about the NT; it was definitely added later, but it does not consist of Revelation, it is as you say an inspiration, if proved.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

Since Jesus and God are he same, no He did not give Himself anything. Instead he taught the apostles what was needed. The apostles and those they taught wrote the NT under inspiration of God.

You keep insisting that something was given to Jesus… what do think He was given? Do you think that He was given the Qur’an??? You are not even being clear on what you think Jesus received.

 

[Semper_Fi_1]

What is Urdu Bible? I’ve never heard of it.

Urdu is the Pakistani language.

 

[paarsurrey]

A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit

Hi
I agree with the above. This is also mentioned in Quran.
Please remain steadfast on your religion; if you think Christianity is rational, reason oriented not having any mysteries that don’t fit in the human logic the world over. What I would do if for instance you decide to convert, there is no dearth of numbers here, one should try for quality. Mainstream or a small stream, it is only good if it is based on truth. In Jesus time it was a small stream to start with, when he went to India ten lost tribes of Israel got convinced and converted to him, so there he formed a large stream who respected him most and never deserted him.They also respected Mary .So be a confident person and remain steadfast on truth, that is more important.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

 

[pawel15]

Hi
I agree with the above. This is also mentioned in Quran.
Please remain steadfast on your religion; if you think Christianity is rational, reason oriented not having any mysteries that don’t fit in the human logic the world over. What I would do if for instance you decide to convert, there is no dearth of numbers here, one should try for quality. Mainstream or a small stream, it is only good if it is based on truth. In Jesus time it was a small stream to start with, when he went to India ten lost tribes of Israel got convinced and converted to him, so there he formed a large stream who respected him most and never deserted him.They also respected Mary .So be a confident person and remain steadfast on truth, that is more important.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

Jesus went to india???, now i see how cunning the devil can be,
how can u you try to reaon with us catholics when your beleifs are always contradictory to our own. Jesus went to heaven ‘body and soul’, so did Mary.
If you read the NT you can see that Jesus came to preach to the lost tribes of Isreal and not to the Gentiles (this doesn’t mean gentiles were not included in the book of life, for far more gentiles beleive in the NT than do the people of Isreal) .
So the entire time he was on earth he only stayed where the people of Isreal were.
If you beleive otherwise, then stop wasting our time on this forum and reason with your own kind with what liitle reason you have.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus went to india???

Hi
If you are a rational person, there is no need to arise so many questions. There was no ban on JesusYeshuaIssa to travel to other countries. Please read the book 'Jesus In India" so that you may know of his journeys.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

 

[kellie]

Hi
If you are a rational person, there is no need to arise so many questions. There was no ban on JesusYeshuaIssa to travel to other countries. Please read the book 'Jesus In India" so that you may know of his journeys.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

Rational people DO ask questions, and use logic, which is why we KNOW Jesus never died in India.

We know He died on the Cross, and resurrected, and was ascended in to Heaven.

 

[pawel15]

Hi
If you are a rational person, there is no need to arise so many questions. There was no ban on JesusYeshuaIssa to travel to other countries. Please read the book 'Jesus In India" so that you may know of his journeys.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

If this is so true then why have i never in my entire life heard about this in the catholic church, except through an infidel.

Mohamed nie byl zaden prorokiem, on tylko byl w spolpracownikiem z diablem zeby rozbic swiata na kawalki. Mohamed meczy w piekle, bo on tak duzo ludzie zgubil, do jego nie katolicka wiare.

 

[BelFarfalla]

paarsurry posted:

I am surprized they did not accuse the Catholic Church of adding the extra books to the Protestant bible

I guess you missed that one… paarsurry has already posted that accussation somewhere on this forum.

 

[BelFarfalla]

But alas! in this Catholic and Protestant strife, the original Word of GodAllahYHWH revealed on JesusYeshuaIssa which he used to read himself has been lost.

You are obviously trying to attack Christianity using the Catholic/Protestant ‘strife’ as a tool. Please keep this up because every time a Christian see Muslims trying to destroy Christianity in this way it serves to remind us that the strife is stupid and this will help to heal the rift.
On the issue of the

the original Word of GodAllahYHWH revealed on JesusYeshuaIssa which he used to read himself has been lost.

Let’s see, you say that God gave Jesus a book. You say that Jesus left the Middle East and traveled to India where he lived peacefully. I would assume, given your story that if indeed Jesus was given a book that he himself read that he took it to India with him. So if your claim is true, what did the people of India do with the book that Jesus had? If anyone destroyed it, people of India must have if indeed Jesus went to live and die in India.

Of course if it is true that Jesus went to India and had a book from God with him, why was there no Christianity in India? Why were the people Hindus when in the 700s Muslim armies started their bloody invasion? Hm… maybe it was Muslims who destroyed the supposed book when they burned down thousands of temples in their murderous rampage through the Indian subcontinent.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Did Jesus receive Word from GodAllahYHWH or not?
If he received and he used to secure it, naturally; where is that? I am not talking about the NT; it was definitely added later, but it does not consist of Revelation, it is as you say an inspiration, if proved.

Why do you think that Jesus was given a book. A book means that it was made of some material like paper or leather that could be held in a person’s hands. Except for the 10 Commandments written in stone, God has never given anyone a physical book.
Not to Moses, not to Jesus and not to Muhammad. So why do you keep insisting on this nonsense of a book.

Remember that in those days most things were done as oral traditions. Jesus passed the Word onto the apostles though the oral word.

if you think Christianity is rational, reason oriented not having any mysteries that don’t fit in the human logic the world over.

No religion does not have to fit human logic. Since when does God have to limit His actions to what fits human logic? Islam does not fit human logic… is it logical that Muhammad traveled round trip to Jerusalem on the back of some mythical beast and saw things that did not even exist there? Is it logical that he supposedly was taken into heaven on some beast again when he died? Is it logical that some claim that he split the moon in half and then put it back together? That an angle visited and when he refused to do its bidding that angle strangled him until he agreed to preach the things that the angel told him?

In Jesus time it was a small stream to start with, when he went to India

You know if it were true that Jesus left his people in the Middle East and feld to India, then we all need to rethink our faith in Him.

You are trying to make us believe that He started a lot of trouble that got a lot of people persecuted and killed. But when the going got tough he ran away like a dog with his tail between his legs to hide in India. Wow, that’s the way you think that Jesus would behave? You think that He would abandon his people in the Middle East and just flee to save his own neck? This ‘Jesus’ you are talking about is not the Jesus Christians believe in.

 

[paarsurrey]

I guess you missed that one… paarsurry has already posted that accussation somewhere on this forum.

Hi
I did not put the accusation that Catholics made the addition of six books ( somebody informs here it is 13 books) in the Bible; I rather defended the Catholic stance and told the JWs that they themselves might have taken these books out while binding the Bible.
Now some people have very kindly informed that this warning is only for the Book of Revelation and not for the whole NTBible or the whole OTBible+NTBible. I don’t believe this as I can’t find any other verse/s for the security of Bible from corruption except this lone verse, otherwise you know the JWs would have put up that before me then, they are very smart in this respect if you have any experience with them.
I love JesusYeshuaIssa and MaryMeriumMaryam.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Now some people have very kindly informed that this warning is only for the Book of Revelation and not for the whole NTBible or the whole OTBible+NTBible. I don’t believe this as I can’t find any other verse/s for the security of Bible from corruption except this lone verse, otherwise you know the JWs would have put up that before me then, they are very smart in this respect if you have any experience with them.
I love JesusYeshuaIssa and MaryMeriumMaryam.

Here is the quote from the Bible that give the assurance to followers that the Catholic Chruch God will always protect the Catholic Church…. This includes the Bible as the Bible is a Catholic document.

Of course the JW’s will not give you this verse because this is one of the many verses that how that JW’s are not a valid Christian Church. They deny this verse and many others.

And I also, I say unto thee that thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and hades’ gates shall not prevail against it.” [Mathew 16:18]

The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

You are right, Christians and the west have seen main stream Islam from the day of Muhammad. Islam conquered the Middle East, North Africa, parts of Spain and entered the Indian subcontinent through violent jihad in the first 120 years of Islam.

After that the Islamic attacks on Europe never stopped. They continue today in the form of terrorism and social assaults. So yes if there is a peaceful Islam it has been hidden very well.

As for the Ahmadi, you too are persecuted by the mainstream Muslims around you.

 

[paarsurrey]

If this is so true then why have i never in my entire life heard about this in the catholic church, except through an infidel.
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Hi
One should be ready to accept correct information whenever it comes and wherefrom it comes by making research and of course unbiased.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[paarsurrey]

Here is the quote from the Bible that give the assurance to followers that the Catholic Chruch God will always protect the Catholic Church…. This includes the Bible as the Bible is a Catholic document.
And I also, I say unto thee that thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and hades’ gates shall not prevail against it.” Mathew 16:18]

Hi
The above quote does not specifically mention of the security of bible and its protection as does the quote of Revelation, I think you would agree with me. So bible is not covered, which is obvious even otherwise.
I love Jesus and Mary.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Hi
The above quote does not specifically mention of the security of bible and its protection as does the quote of Revelation, I think you would agree with me. So bible is not covered, which is obvious even otherwise.

The quote covers everything having to do with the God’s Church on earth, the Catholic Church. That included the Bible as the Bible was the way that that the apostles and their predecessors passed on the word so that the Word was preserved for all time.
You don’t have to agree with what we believe. But since you keep asking, we keep explaining it to you.

 

[BelFarfalla]

Hi
One should be ready to accept correct information whenever it comes and wherefrom it comes by making research and of course unbiased.

You are right, you should be ready to accept correct information when it comes to you.

 

[paarsurrey]

The quote covers everything having to do with the God’s Church on earth, the Catholic Church. That included the Bible as the Bible was the way that that the apostles and their predecessors passed on the word so that the Word was preserved for all time.
You don’t have to agree with what we believe. But since you keep asking, we keep explaining it to you.

Hi
Thanks for keeping on explaining. The quote also makes no mention of the Catholic Church. Does it? I think it is your guess only. The guesses never make facts, kindly mention a specific verse for protection and security of Bible from Bible OT&NT, otherwise it would be free for all, then don’t have any complaint against JWs.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics
The West, as I understand, due to certain disinformation has seen only MullahIslam or MullahShariah; the true face of Muhammad’sIslam and PromisedMessiahImamMahdi’sIslam is yet hidden from their eyes, which is truly speaking only peaceful.