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He was mistaken when he said this: “Our theology should come from the bible, not the bible from our theology.”

Our theology has never come from a book, no matter how holy.

Our theology has always come from Christ, through His Body, the Catholic Church.

And then the Bible reflects this theology.
You’re right, and I think that we can all be sure that Trent would agree with the fact that our theology comes from Christ. He wasn’t making a sola scriptura statement. Rather, it was a rhetorical device that would best illustrate to the audience and opponent that he was facing at the time the error of James Whites’ reasoning.

Trent’s statement and point stands. Fully extrapolated, it would likely be stated more fully that our theology should come from all of God’s Word and revelation, both written tradition (Scripture) and the tradition handed down through the Church, and teachings confirmed and developed by the infallible teaching magisterium of the Church and her Pope. We should not develop our theology and then endeavor to reinterpret all of the preceding to fit that theology (e.g., the concept of once saved, always saved). Trent’s statement was a very fitting way of capturing all that in a one-line “zinger” that could best illustrate the point in that situation.
 
No. Listen carefully. He did not say our theology should only come from the bible.
I don’t think you’ve thought your position through well enough, Duane.

The Catholic faith was whole and entire before a single word of the NT was ever put to writ.

It was given, once for all, to the saints.

So how can a faith, which was whole and entire, get theology from a text which wasn’t even written yet?
 
You’re right, and I think that we can all be sure that Trent would agree with the fact that our theology comes from Christ. He wasn’t making a sola scriptura statement. Rather, it was a rhetorical device that would best illustrate to the audience and opponent that he was facing at the time the error of James Whites’ reasoning.

Trent’s statement and point stands. Fully extrapolated, it would likely be stated more fully that our theology should come from all of God’s Word and revelation, both written tradition (Scripture) and the tradition handed down through the Church, and teachings confirmed and developed by the infallible teaching magisterium of the Church and her Pope. We should not develop our theology and then endeavor to reinterpret all of the preceding to fit that theology (e.g., the concept of once saved, always saved). Trent’s statement was a very fitting way of capturing all that in a one-line “zinger” that could best illustrate the point in that situation.
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I don’t think you’ve thought your position through well enough, Duane.

The Catholic faith was whole and entire before a single word of the NT was ever put to writ.

It was given, once for all, to the saints.

So how can a faith, which was whole and entire, get theology from a text which wasn’t even written yet?
Because that text is part of that same deposit that was handed out whole and entire.

Are you saying that text is not a part of the deposit of faith?

P.S. The thumb’s up you gave the post above, he said almost the exact same thing I said.
 
Because that text is part of that same deposit that was handed out whole and entire.

Are you saying that text is not a part of the deposit of faith?
I am saying that the sacred text reflects what was already part of the kerygma.

The kerygma came first, and then what conformed to this was discerned to be theopneustos.

We don’t get our theology from a book, no matter how holy.
 
P.S. The thumb’s up you gave the post above, he said almost the exact same thing I said.
That’s funny, because I was just going to say that perhaps you’ve forgotten that you have a “clapping icon” in 2015 to my post which said exactly what I said here on *this *thread.
And this is nothing but a correct articulation of Sacred Tradition. 🙂

Yet another articulation of Sacred Tradition.

It is Tradition that gave you the canon of the NT. That came first.

There was no canon of the NT in the first decades.

What was in existence was the ORAL TEACHING of the Apostles. AKA…

Sacred Tradition.

THEN came the NT, in the form of 27 books discerned, infallibly, by the CC.

So first Tradition…

then…

Scripture.
:clapping:
 
At any rate, I don’t wish to belabor this point any further.

Suffice it to say that, quoting dahbeegs: “the tradition handed down through the Church, and teachings confirmed and developed by the infallible teaching magisterium of the Church and her Pope”.

That is, we received the Good News, and then the texts which confirmed this Good News were declared to be inspired.

That is, the kerygma came first, and then came the Bible.

We do not get our doctrines from a book, no matter how holy.
 
The definition of the word infallible means incapable of making mistakes.

Making or not making a mistake is an active decision making process, something written can not be infallible, because it can not act or make decisions.
First, the underline sections below:

|Hebrews 4|
|For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

|1 Peter 2|
|Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God; for And this word is the good news that was preached to you. “All flesh is like grass and all its glory like the flower of grass. The grass withers, and the flower falls, but the word of the Lord remains forever.” And this word is the good news that was preached to you.

|2 Timothy 3|
|Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

The word of God is alive, active, abiding, makes us wise,discerns thoughts and discerns intentions… this is not just a normal book. This is not just written words. The is the living word of God, God’s very breath! I believe infallible is applicable here, honestly.

Here is another example. When Jesus was answering the question about marriage after the resurrection, he stated something interesting.

|Matthew 22|
|But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God: I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.” And when the crowd heard it, they were astonished at his teaching.

Did you catch that? He told those present that God spoke to them directly through the written word of God! He said, “…have you not read what was said to you…”? Even Jesus taught that the scriptures speak to us in a way that even God would hold us accountable to them as if he had spoken to us directly. That’s incredible to me!
The Bible is inerrant, which means it contains no error. That is until fallible men pick it up and try to interpret it’s inerrant meaning. The only possible way of the Bible remaining inerrant is if Jesus left us an infallible authority to interpret it’s meaning.
Two things to this, I think you didn’t mean to but you made it sound like the bible becomes errant when fallible men pick it up. If something is inerrant, it stays inerrant even in men’s hands. The interpretation can be wrong and in error, but the source isn’t necessarily.
Secondly, according to Jesus,

|John 14|
|… And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. … the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

So, why would I take a flawed inerrant fallible system of the Roman Catholic Church over the Holy Spirit? I apologize to come off so sternly and firmly, but I am not Roman Catholic. I don’t see the human magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church as anything special or authoritative. And, when God tells us he is coming to abide with us forever, teach us, bring things to our remembrance and indwell us, I think the choice between God and man is obvious.
Also, written words, even from God, can not have authority unless God left an authority to govern those words.
God Bless
The authority God “left” us is his living and abiding word of God, his very breathed out word. Not to mention the fact that God never left! The bible teaches this as a common sense, on-the-face reading. I’ve seen your post about being a father and it was beautiful to be honest. I see where your coming from, but I see what God says he is doing. He is here and never left. We don’t need the Roman Catholic magisterium.
 
At any rate, I don’t wish to belabor this point any further.

Suffice it to say that, quoting dahbeegs: “the tradition handed down through the Church, and teachings confirmed and developed by the infallible teaching magisterium of the Church and her Pope”.

That is, we received the Good News, and then the texts which confirmed this Good News were declared to be inspired.

That is, the kerygma came first, and then came the Bible.

We do not get our doctrines from a book, no matter how holy.
What was given to us, once and for all times, what is that called?
 
The word of God is alive, active, abiding, makes us wise,discerns thoughts and discerns intentions… this is not just a normal book. This is not just written words. The is the living word of God, God’s very breath!
Amen! Very Catholic, this. 👍
Did you catch that? He told those present that God spoke to them directly through the written word of God! He said, “…have you not read what was said to you…”? Even Jesus taught that the scriptures speak to us in a way that even God would hold us accountable to them as if he had spoken to us directly. That’s incredible to me!
Indeed. 👍
Two things to this, I think you didn’t mean to but you made it sound like the bible becomes errant when fallible men pick it up. If something is inerrant, it stays inerrant even in men’s hands. The interpretation can be wrong and in error, but the source isn’t necessarily.
Yes!

And when fallible men read the Bible, they will, by definition, come up with a WRONG interpretation.

That’s why we need an infallible magisterium to act as our authority.
 
So, why would I take a flawed inerrant fallible system of the Roman Catholic Church over the Holy Spirit?
This is begging the question, Brando.

You still have to prove that the Catholic Church is a fallible system.

And, if you do this, you’ve actually shot yourself in the foot, because if it is, indeed, a fallible system, then you have no way to know that the 27 books in the NT are God-breathed. For it is the CC which told you they are theopneustos–there is NO OTHER WAY you can know which books belong in the NT and which do not…
I apologize to come off so sternly and firmly, but I am not Roman Catholic. I don’t see the human magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church as anything special or authoritative.
Just as a means of gentle fraternal correction, the Catholic Church is not Roman, Brando.

We are the Catholic Church. And the Roman rite is just one of many rites in the universal , Catholic Church.
And, when God tells us he is coming to abide with us forever, teach us, bring things to our remembrance and indwell us, I think the choice between God and man is obvious.
Certainly. When the choice is between God and man, we must always choose God.
The authority God “left” us is his living and abiding word of God, his very breathed out word.
You’ll have to cite a Bible verse for this, Brando, because I think you’ve been duped into believing a man-made tradition here. You just heard your pastor say this, who heard another man say this, but no one, not a single person, ever read that in a single word of the Bible.

In fact, it directly CONTRADICTS the Bible which tells us that something else is the authority God left us.

Do you know what the Bible says is this “something else”?
Not to mention the fact that God never left! The bible teaches this as a common sense, on-the-face reading. I’ve seen your post about being a father and it was beautiful to be honest. I see where your coming from, but I see what God says he is doing. He is here and never left.
Amen!
We don’t need the Roman Catholic magisterium.
Without the magisterium, you wouldn’t know that Hebrews is inspired, that the Gospel of Mark is inspired, etc etc etc.

The ONLY way you know this is because you give your tacit submission to the authority of the CC, Brando.
 
The authority God “left” us is his living and abiding word of God, his very breathed out word. Not to mention the fact that God never left! The bible teaches this as a common sense, on-the-face reading. I’ve seen your post about being a father and it was beautiful to be honest. I see where your coming from, but I see what God says he is doing. He is here and never left. We don’t need the Roman Catholic magisterium.
You’ll have to cite a Bible verse for this, Brando, because I think you’ve been duped into believing a man-made tradition here. You just heard your pastor say this, who heard another man say this, but no one, not a single person, ever read that in a single word of the Bible.

In fact, it directly CONTRADICTS the Bible which tells us that something else is the authority God left us.
Let me preempt, Brando, but saying that if you are going to post “All Scripture is inspired by God”–2 Tim 3:16, that verse does not say, at all that the authority God left us is his Bible.

What it says is that IF something is in the Bible, we can know that it’s God-breathed.

But it does NOT say that this Bible is the authority God left us. It doesn’t exclude, say, a man, (like Jesus) being authoritative, or another man (like Peter) being authoritative, or another entity (like the Body of Christ) being authoritative.

All it says is that if we read something in the Bible, we can know that it’s God-breathed.

Nothing more, and nothing less.
 
So, why would I take a flawed inerrant fallible system of the Roman Catholic Church over the Holy Spirit? I apologize to come off so sternly and firmly, but I am not Roman Catholic. I don’t see the human magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church as anything special or authoritative. And, when God tells us he is coming to abide with us forever, teach us, bring things to our remembrance and indwell us, I think the choice between God and man is obvious.

The authority God “left” us is his living and abiding word of God, his very breathed out word. Not to mention the fact that God never left! The bible teaches this as a common sense, on-the-face reading. I’ve seen your post about being a father and it was beautiful to be honest. I see where your coming from, but I see what God says he is doing. He is here and never left. We don’t need the Roman Catholic magisterium.
Hi Brando.

I know you are are being bombarded with responses so I didn’t want to butt in, but felt the need to here.

This “Roman Catholic” Church you think so lowly of told us what books were supposed to be in the New Testament, and in what order. They even put nice little chapter divisions and verses in them for you as well. Catholic monks dedicated their entire lives to making copies of it. And the Church has had many martyrs over the last 2,000 years preserving the scriptures.

I say that because if nothing else, I’m hoping to maybe at least slightly improve your opinion of the Church.

And in regards to the “Roman Catholic magisterium”; we have the US constitution, a much smaller document written in OUR language, yet we still need a authoritative interpreter in the US supreme court. With the bible we are talking about a collection of books written hundreds to thousands of years ago from a different culture, with idioms and single terms that change in meaning over time. I do not think things are as cut and dry as you have asserted they are.

Peace
 
The word of God is alive, active, abiding, makes us wise,discerns thoughts and discerns intentions… this is not just a normal book. This is not just written words. The is the living word of God, God’s very breath! I believe infallible is applicable here, honestly.
So in your opinion not only is the Catholic Church wrong in her interpretation of scripture, and you are right, but Mr. Webster is also wrong in his definition on infallible and you are right. 🤷
Did you catch that? He told those present that God spoke to them directly through the written word of God! He said, “…have you not read what was said to you…”? Even Jesus taught that the scriptures speak to us in a way that even God would hold us accountable to them as if he had spoken to us directly. That’s incredible to me!
Actually what I caught was Jesus saying you were wrong in your interpretation. And yes the scriptures speak to us and we will be held accountable for our misinterpretations. Just curious how can God be a just God if he holds us accountable for something that can be so easily misinterpreted by so many different people? That would be like getting fired from a job for breaking a rule that was never explained to you. Doesn’t seem fair to me unless God left us a visible teaching authority to guide us into all truths.
So, why would I take a flawed inerrant fallible system of the Roman Catholic Church over the Holy Spirit? I apologize to come off so sternly and firmly, but I am not Roman Catholic. I don’t see the human magisterium of the Roman Catholic Church as anything special or authoritative. And, when God tells us he is coming to abide with us forever, teach us, bring things to our remembrance and indwell us, I think the choice between God and man is obvious.
. This is flawed logic. You could easily say you reject the Catholic Church but to say she is wrong makes no sense. You say she is wrong because she has human authority. Are you not human? Are you not following your own human authority? You base your enter logic on your interpretation of the bible. The Holy Spirit said the Church not the Bible is the pillar and foundation of the truth. So are you following the Holy Spirit when He says “THE CHURCH” or are you following your own flawed human interpretation to think the Holy Spirit told you it’s the Bible not the Church?

Also, why then would I believe anyone? Aren’t they human as well? Just think through your logic? Sure the writers were inspired, I agree. However, the translators were fallible humans, how do I not know they didn’t translate something in correctly? And which version of the Bible is the correct one? You left any person with an ounce of common sense asking a lot of questions that need to be answered.
The authority God “left” us is his living and abiding word of God, his very breathed out word. Not to mention the fact that God never left! The bible teaches this as a common sense, on-the-face reading. I’ve seen your post about being a father and it was beautiful to be honest. I see where your coming from, but I see what God says he is doing. He is here and never left. We don’t need the Roman Catholic magisterium.
Well thank you for the compliment. I am sorry you don’t need the Catholic Church but I do. I am a fallible human being. Jesus calls us sheep for a reason. Without a visible authoritative shepherd sheep will stray. The Bible is authoratative no doubt. However, it has no more authority than the person reading it. Just curious would you drive 25 miles an hour on a deserted 4 lane highway if you knew there wouldn’t be any police present to I enforce the speed limit?
 
So in your opinion not only is the Catholic Church wrong in her interpretation of scripture, and you are right, but Mr. Webster is also wrong in his definition on infallible and you are right. 🤷

Actually what I caught was Jesus saying you were wrong in your interpretation. And yes the scriptures speak to us and we will be held accountable for our misinterpretations. Just curious how can God be a just God if he holds us accountable for something that can be so easily misinterpreted by so many different people? That would be like getting fired from a job for breaking a rule that was never explained to you. Doesn’t seem fair to me unless God left us a visible teaching authority to guide us into all truths.

. This is flawed logic. You could easily say you reject the Catholic Church but to say she is wrong makes no sense. You say she is wrong because she has human authority. Are you not human? Are you not following your own human authority? You base your enter logic on your interpretation of the bible. The Holy Spirit said the Church not the Bible is the pillar and foundation of the truth. So are you following the Holy Spirit when He says “THE CHURCH” or are you following your own flawed human interpretation to think the Holy Spirit told you it’s the Bible not the Church?

Also, why then would I believe anyone? Aren’t they human as well? Just think through your logic? Sure the writers were inspired, I agree. However, the translators were fallible humans, how do I not know they didn’t translate something in correctly? And which version of the Bible is the correct one? You left any person with an ounce of common sense asking a lot of questions that need to be answered.

Well thank you for the compliment. I am sorry you don’t need the Catholic Church but I do. I am a fallible human being. Jesus calls us sheep for a reason. Without a visible authoritative shepherd sheep will stray. The Bible is authoratative no doubt. However, it has no more authority than the person reading it. Just curious would you drive 25 miles an hour on a deserted 4 lane highway if you knew there wouldn’t be any police present to I enforce the speed limit?
Great post!!!

I have no experience with sheep, but i have been told they are incredibly stupid animals lol. So it’s interesting that Jesus uses that term for us. Maybe things are a wee bit complicated for us. Just maybe. Nice to have a Church with authority and 2000 year pedigree.
 
Great post!!!

I have no experience with sheep, but i have been told they are incredibly stupid animals lol. So it’s interesting that Jesus uses that term for us. Maybe things are a wee bit complicated for us. Just maybe. Nice to have a Church with authority and 2000 year pedigree.
Thank you for the compliment.

Just to make one minor correction to your post. I actually raise sheep. Just came back from the barn. Had 20 lambs born this year.

Just wanted to let you know sheep are not stupid. They are quite intelligent when it comes to getting what they want. We have to put clips on all of our gate chains, because I’ve seen them play with the chain knowing that if it isn’t clipped they can open the gate.

Actually, from my experience, raising sheep, I think Jesus calls us sheep for several reasons. First off they are somewhat defenseless from the coyotes. That’s why we have a lama to protect the young ones. Even more so I think He calls us sheep because I have come to experience, as Jesus has about us, that sheep are very self centered. They will do whatever it takes to get what they want. I’ve seen them step on each other, kick, hit, and even cause some real damage, to there neighbor, to get to, what they think is, the best hay. In a nut shell they are greedy just like us, that’s why they need a shepherd.

Oh yeah I forgot, they get in about 10 times the amount of trouble when I’m at work away from the farm.

God bless.
 
Thank you for the compliment.

Just to make one minor correction to your post. I actually raise sheep. Just came back from the barn. Had 20 lambs born this year.

Just wanted to let you know sheep are not stupid. They are quite intelligent when it comes to getting what they want. We have to put clips on all of our gate chains, because I’ve seen them play with the chain knowing that if it isn’t clipped they can open the gate.

Actually, from my experience, raising sheep, I think Jesus calls us sheep for several reasons. First off they are somewhat defenseless from the coyotes. That’s why we have a lama to protect the young ones. Even more so I think He calls us sheep because I have come to experience, as Jesus has about us, that sheep are very self centered. They will do whatever it takes to get what they want. I’ve seen them step on each other, kick, hit, and even cause some real damage, to there neighbor, to get to, what they think is, the best hay. In a nut shell they are greedy just like us, that’s why they need a shepherd.

Oh yeah I forgot, they get in about 10 times the amount of trouble when I’m at work away from the farm.

God bless.
I don’t doubt what you say as i have no experience with these animals…

However, the self centeredness…the stubborness…that sounds more like goats?

Of course Jesus uses the analogy of seperating sheep(saved) and goats(unsaved).

So do you have experience with goats? And in your opinion why would Jesus use this analogy if the animals are so similar?

Blessings
 
Actually what I caught was Jesus saying you were wrong in your interpretation. And yes the scriptures speak to us and we will be held accountable for our misinterpretations.

Just curious how can God be a just God if he holds us accountable for something that can be so easily misinterpreted by so many different people? That would be like getting fired from a job for breaking a rule that was never explained to you. Doesn’t seem fair to me unless God left us a visible teaching authority to guide us into all truths.
God bless MT1926 and Lenten_ashes,

John 12:48 ;
“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him – the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.”

Jour question MT1926:


Just curious how can God be a just God if he holds us accountable for something that can be so easily misinterpreted?

The answer of the RCC:

Quote: CATHOLIC SENSIBILITY, DEI VERBUM 21

The Church has always VENERATED the divine Scriptures JUST AS she VENERATED the body of the Lord, since, especially in the sacred liturgy, she unceasingly receives and offers to the faithful THE BREAD OF LIFE from the table of BOTH of GOD’S WORD and of CHRIST’S BODY.

For in the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven meets His children with great love and speaks with them; and THE FORCE AND POWER IN THE WORD OF GOD IS SO GREAT THAT IT IS STANDS AS THE SUPPORT AND ENERGY OF THE CHURCH, THE STRINGS OF FAITH for Her (children), THE FOOD OF THE SOUL, THE PURE AND EVERLASTING SOURCE OF SPIRITUAL LIFE.

“For the WORD OF GOD IS LIVING AND ACTIVE” (Hebr.4:12) and it **HAS THE POWER TO BUILD YOU UP and give you your heritage among all those who are sanctified. (Acts 20:32) ** End quote.

THE SCRIPTURES referred to as the “BREAD OF LIFE”** in direct association with a reference to the Eucharist.**
Please see: John 1:1; Matt.4:4; Luke 4:4.

We have access and **we are able to eat the “BREAD OF LIFE” in TWO ways: **
The Church offers to the faithful the bread of life FROM THE EUCHARISTIC table of BOTH of GOD’S WORD and CHRIST’S BODY.

When in faith, we are READING or HEARING the Word of God we consuming the BREAD OF LIFE, in which He (Jesus), Himself is consumed and we unite ourselves to Christ.

The Catholic Understanding of the Bible by Fr. John Harden SJ.

Quote: “The Scriptures are holy because their main author is the all-holy God. But they are also holy because they are able to sanctify those who READ the Bible as NO OTHER LITERATURE in the world is capable of doing.

**St. Thomas does not hesitate to speak of the Scriptures as a KIND OF SACRAMENT.

SIMULAR to what happens when we receive BAPTISM or the EUCHARIST.**

The same Holy Spirit who first inspired the Bible CONTINUES TO ENLIGHTEN those who now READ the Bible.” End quote. Emphasize mine.

WE CANNOT OVER EMPHASIS!

When in faith, READING or HEARING the Word of God we are consuming the BREAD OF LIFE, in which He (Jesus), Himself is consumed and we unite ourselves to Christ.

[CCC 108]; Still, the Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.”
Christianity is a religion of the “Word” of God, “not a written and mute word, but incarnate and living.”
If the Scriptures are not remain a dead letter, **Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, “open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures.” **End quote.

The Lamb’s Supper by Scott Hahn Page 48

Quote: One of the great Scripture scholars of the early church, Origen (third century), urged Christians TO RESPECT CHRIST’S PRESENTS IN THE GOSPEL as they RESPECT HIS PRESENCE IN THE HOST.

“You who are accustomed to take part in the divine mysteries know, when you receive the body of the Lord, how you protect it with all caution and veneration lest any small part fall from it, lest anything of the consecrated gift be lost.

For you believe, and correctly, that you are answerable if anything falls from there by neglect.

But if you are so careful to preserve His body, and rightly so, HOW DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS LESS GUILT TO HAVE NEGLECTED GOD’S WORD THAT TO HAVE NEGLECTED HIS BODY?” End quote.

ACCORDING TO ST. JEROME

This famous excerpt from Jerome’s Commentary on Isaiah (Nn. 1.2: CCL 73, 1-3) is used in the Roman Office of Readings for the Feast (liturgical memorial) of St. Jerome on September 30.

In it, St. Jerome firmly insists that ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. A strong exhortation from a Father and Doctor of the Catholic Church to Christians urging all to recognize that serious Bible study is a necessity, not an optional luxury. End quote.

God bless,

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