Trent Horn - Does it matter which Christian denomination you belong to?

[PRmerger]

And just before the verse that says we must council on the matter.

Have you forgotten that Catholics don’t look to the Bible for our doctrines? Rather, the Bible reflects our doctrines.

So the fact that the Bible doesn’t mention looking to councils on any matters is irrelevant to us.

Now, it’s a problem for you because you do claim to look to the Bible for your doctrines…and yet you have submitted to a council (several councils, in fact) when you quote from the NT as theopneustos, when the Bible doesn’t say to do this.

For it is through these councils, and ONLY through these councils, that you know that Hebrews is theopneustos, and the Gospel of Barnabas is not.

 

[Duane1966]

And just before the verse that says we must council on the matter.

Council of Jerusalem in Acts

 

[estesbob]

(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Rom 2
"And the Jews ask what are the works of God. Jesus responded, "this is the work of God , believe on who He sent "

And yet shall anyone be justified by the law? Is not Paul using the law in Romans to find every man guilty, that no one has heard and kept the law ?

Why should we accept your personal interpretation of Scripture ? When Jesus ascended into heaven he did not leave us a book with the admonition that everybody should read it and figure things out for themselves. What he did was leave us a Church so that the truth could be passed on from generation to generation with no need for each generation to figure things out for themselves . One need only watch the acquiescing-]/-] of so many Christian denominations to the mores of the current culture to know the wisdom of this approach

 

[zz912]

Overall, I love Pope Francis’s message to the ecumenical John 17 movement. He delivered a video message to this group back in May when they gathered in Phoenix.

Despite our differences, we are all Christians. I love it. This should put an end to this denominational disagreement.

Great! Since denominational disagreements are ended, when can I sign you up for RCIA so you can join the Catholic Church?

If denominational disagreements are ended and do not matter, then you will of course follow through on your belief you stated here and join us, correct?

 

[zz912]

During the prophesied Messianic age, the Torah/Hebrew Bible states that “Though all the peoples walk Each in the name of his god, As for us, we will walk In the name of the LORD our God forever and ever.” Micah 4:5. It will come in the last days.

They will walk in the name of their gods, and we will walk in the name of our God.

Doesn’t sound to condemning of non-believers.

You honestly believe this passage in Micah is saying it is okay to worship other gods?

I’ll give you a hint, it won’t end well for those who walk in the name of other gods.

 

[zz912]

Mark 9:38-41:

Good gospel passage which kind of sends the message that Jesus might not have approved of one group of Christians saying, “that other group of Christians don’t get the reward of the body and blood of Jesus when they do communion” or “they don’t have apostolic succession” because they’re “not following us”.

I see where Jesus says to not stop them, but I don’t see where He says to admit them to communion either. Maybe Jesus just preferred that we lovingly keep calling these separated brethren back to the Church?

 

[Memaw]

Not thec church. But obviously a “priest” in the Lutheran Church could receive valid orders from a Catholic bishop

That would be cause for excommunication. God Bless. Memaw

 

[benhur]

Why should we accept your personal interpretation of Scripture ? When Jesus ascended into heaven he did not leave us a book with the admonition that everybody should read it and figure things out for themselves. What he did was leave us a Church so that the truth could be passed on from generation to generation with no need for each generation to figure things out for themselves . One need only watch the acquiescing-]/-] of so many Christian denominations to the mores of the current culture to know the wisdom of this approach

Yes, agree, the ugliness of 30000 denoms. But where did the phrase “absolute power corrupts absolutely” come from ?

Both ugly extremes.

Blessings

 

[benhur]

What he did was leave us a Church so that the truth could be passed on from generation to generation with no need for each generation to figure things out for themselves

 

[Doormouse]

hi benhur ,I’m only asking this because it seems to have been over looked when you did your last post.
when Jesus asked Peter who he was, was the answer given to him by any body who had done the figuring out for him? I don’t think so. but Jesus gave him a reply to his answer.

Matthew 16:17

Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

 

[Even_So]

A lot of people belong to a certain faith because that’s the one they were brought up in, the one their parents and grandparents belonged to, etc. At one time, that’s why most people belonged to a particular faith. That’s why I’m a Protestant, for example, because all of my ancestors for the last 500 years or so have all been Protestants, and many of them on my mother’s side were Lutherans. Maybe seaton’s parents were Catholics.

You just pipe down. Stinkin Protestant.
That goes for u2 BenHur

 

[Even_So]

Have you forgotten that Catholics don’t look to the Bible for our doctrines? Rather, the Bible reflects our doctrines.

So the fact that the Bible doesn’t mention looking to councils on any matters is irrelevant to us.

Now, it’s a problem for you because you do claim to look to the Bible for your doctrines…and yet you have submitted to a council (several councils, in fact) when you quote from the NT as theopneustos, when the Bible doesn’t say to do this.

For it is through these councils, and ONLY through these councils, that you know that Hebrews is theopneustos, and the Gospel of Barnabas is not.

From what i have read, your doctrines are much rewritten scriptures. Not all. Is this another what came first; chicken or the egg/scripture or doctrine?

 

[Tommy999]

… Maybe Jesus just preferred that we lovingly keep calling these separated brethren back to the Church?

I tend to open up and become more receptive to Catholicism when Catholics employ this approach. I first came to CAF after stumbling onto a Catholic radio station when flipping channels on the way home from work one day last year and they mentioned CAF.

I wanted to learn more about Catholicism because I found the programs on the radio very interesting and uplifting. I barely knew anything at the time about Catholicism (I am from a predominantly Protestant area of the country) and found that most of what I thought I knew about Catholicism was distorted from folks who probably had an ax to grind.

I feel I am a dedicated Christian who came to know Jesus as my Lord and Savior several years ago. I try to love and serve God and others with all my heart, mind, and soul. I wanted to learn basic Catholic beliefs from real down-to-earth Catholics and then determine, with God’s help, if my spiritual walk with our Lord could be enhanced and made stronger through Catholicism. I am still discerning. There are some things I can easily embrace while there are a few other doctrines I still struggle with.

When people take the view of, “I believe you are a brother in Christ *just as you are *but I feel your walk with Christ could be enhanced through Catholicism and here is how it has helped me”, I lower my defensive shields and listen with an open mind and heart to what they have to say.

On the other hand, when I hear people who come across with attitudes and words to the effect that Catholicism is the only way to have a meaningful walk with God or that Protestants (evangelicals, in my case) are inferior and lacking in so many ways" and other condescending remarks, it is a big turn-off and makes me “bow up” (Oklahoma term) and disregard anything else that person has to say or even answer their questions, even if they know Catholicism inside and out.

By the way, I thought Trent Horn was very respectful of the non-Catholic caller in the Youtube link the OP provided.

 

[PRmerger]

From what i have read, your doctrines are much rewritten scriptures.

The Scriptures reflect our doctrines.

The faith was given once for all to the saints.

Not all. Is this another what came first; chicken or the egg/scripture or doctrine?

No, Even So. The Catholic Faith was whole and entire before a single word of the NT was ever put to writ.

 

[PRmerger]

Yes, agree, the ugliness of 30000 denoms. But where did the phrase “absolute power corrupts absolutely” come from ?

Both ugly extremes.

Blessings

Do you not believe that the Apostles should have had “absolute power” in the early Church?

Or was there someone in the early Church who knew better than the chosen 12?

 

[benhur]

hi benhur ,I’m only asking this because it seems to have been over looked when you did your last post.
when Jesus asked Peter who he was, was the answer given to him by any body who had done the figuring out for him? I don’t think so. but Jesus gave him a reply to his answer.

Matthew 16:17

Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

Hi Dm,

My question mark at the end of my post was the invitation for your exact post .Thank you

Blessings

 

[benhur]

Do you not believe that the Apostles should have had “absolute power” in the early Church?

Or was there someone in the early Church who knew better than the chosen 12?

That is very O and P of you, to have them all together, in power (no mention of papacy).

Blessings

 

[outremer]

No, Even So. The Catholic Faith was whole and entire before a single word of the NT was ever put to writ.

Respectfully, how does this square with the notion of “development of doctrine”, then?

 

[Even_So]

It matters absolutely. Each denomination is ordered much different from the next. The Catholic church is ordered around St. Peter. This is what Lord Jesus Christ required. Other denominations schismatically ordered itself around something different, such as personal pride/glory and/or self-righteousness, thus becoming just a shadow of its former self.

This is why i am Protestant, cuz it’s all about me.

 

[benhur]

No, Even So. The Catholic Faith was whole and entire before a single word of the NT was ever put to writ.

And respectfully I wish it were so.

Blessings