Trent Horn - Does it matter which Christian denomination you belong to?

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zz912 said:
Great! Since denominational disagreements are ended, when can I sign you up for RCIA so you can join the Catholic Church?

If denominational disagreements are ended and do not matter, then you will of course follow through on your belief you stated here and join us, correct?
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I am Catholic, and I have come to embrace the fact that the aggressive spirit of the Counter-Reformation has been laid to rest in the Church. Huzzah for VII and Pope Francis the Great 👍
 
gigi_mvn said:
It matters absolutely. Each denomination is ordered much different from the next. The Catholic church is ordered around St. Peter. This is what Lord Jesus Christ required. Other denominations schismatically ordered itself around something different, such as personal pride/glory and/or self-righteousness, thus becoming just a shadow of its former self.
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Hi gigi,

The proof is in the pudding. How good are you at picking out a Lutheran from an Orthodox or from a Catholic or from a Baptist, during the week ?

Blessings
 
benhur said:
Hi gigi,

The proof is in the pudding. How good are you at picking out a Lutheran from an Orthodox or from a Catholic or from a Baptist, during the week ?

Blessings
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It’s not all about outward appearances as I’m sure you know.
 
benhur said:
That is very O and P of you, to have them all together, in power (no mention of papacy).

Blessings
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Well, first let’s answer the question I posed and then we can talk about the papacy.

You object to someone having “absolute power”, right?

So you don’t believe that the Apostles had “absolute power” over the early Christians?

Is that your position?
 
outremer said:
Respectfully, how does this square with the notion of “development of doctrine”, then?
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Why should there be anything to square?

The kerygma was given once for all to the Church.

Men in the Church, under the assistance of the Holy Spirit, take this kerygma and develop our understanding of it.
 
JMM1957 said:
It’s not all about outward appearances as I’m sure you know.
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So it is also not living holy,disciplined lives, walking in the spirit, and doing kindly good works ? How shall they know we are brethren ? Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Again, given same maturity level, can you differentiate from a Catholic or O or P from outward appearance (outside of a church service), or actions or demeanor ?

If one’s doctrine, or sacraments, or church service, even "denomination is “fuller”, even better, from God and not man made, shouldn’t it show ?

Blessings
 
PRmerger said:
Well, first let’s answer the question I posed and then we can talk about the papacy.

You object to someone having “absolute power”, right?

So you don’t believe that the Apostles had “absolute power” over the early Christians?

Is that your position?
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No I did not directly object to absolute power.

A poster said that without the structure of CC you have negative aspect of 30000 denoms. I posted in reply the question of where did “absolute power absolutely corrupts” come from, and that that could be the other end of the spectrum( the ends being ugly) ? I think that is how the conversation went.

Blessings
 
Tommy999 said:
I tend to open up and become more receptive to Catholicism when Catholics employ this approach. I first came to CAF after stumbling onto a Catholic radio station when flipping channels on the way home from work one day last year and they mentioned CAF.

I wanted to learn more about Catholicism because I found the programs on the radio very interesting and uplifting. I barely knew anything at the time about Catholicism (I am from a predominantly Protestant area of the country) and found that most of what I thought I knew about Catholicism was distorted from folks who probably had an ax to grind.

I feel I am a dedicated Christian who came to know Jesus as my Lord and Savior several years ago. I try to love and serve God and others with all my heart, mind, and soul. I wanted to learn basic Catholic beliefs from real down-to-earth Catholics and then determine, with God’s help, if my spiritual walk with our Lord could be enhanced and made stronger through Catholicism. I am still discerning. There are some things I can easily embrace while there are a few other doctrines I still struggle with.

When people take the view of, “I believe you are a brother in Christ *just as you are *but I feel your walk with Christ could be enhanced through Catholicism and here is how it has helped me”, I lower my defensive shields and listen with an open mind and heart to what they have to say.

On the other hand, when I hear people who come across with attitudes and words to the effect that Catholicism is the only way to have a meaningful walk with God or that Protestants (evangelicals, in my case) are inferior and lacking in so many ways" and other condescending remarks, it is a big turn-off and makes me “bow up” (Oklahoma term) and disregard anything else that person has to say or even answer their questions, even if they know Catholicism inside and out.

By the way, I thought Trent Horn was very respectful of the non-Catholic caller in the Youtube link the OP provided.
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Don’t let anyone discourage you in your search for the fullness of truth. Believe me in the Catholic Church, Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior also. The term, “lacking in so many ways” probably means different things to different people. I would respond by saying, if said respectfully it should mean protestant denominations not having all 7 Sacraments. All the Sacraments guide us and strengthen us on our journey to Eternal life. I would suggest you watch “Journey Home” on EWTN Catholic Cable network on Monday nights 7 pm CST. Also Patrick Madrid has a set of books titled, "Surprised by Truth, vols I,II and III. About those who have come into the Catholic faith. You might find them informative and interesting as well. Prayers and God Bless, Memaw
 
benhur said:
Yes, agree, the ugliness of 30000 denoms. But where did the phrase “absolute power corrupts absolutely” come from ?

Both ugly extremes.

Blessings
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Are you asking who coined that phrase? I know where it came from. So, you think that it fits the Magisterium? Or just a possibility?
 
Thorolfr said:
Where exactly in the Bible does Jesus say anything about “apostolic succession”?
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Where in the Bible will you find the word Bible ? you will find rock, Peter, upon this rock I will build My Church. Where in the Bible did Jesus say to start another church ? Where in the Bible did Jesus say to scatter His flock ? on the contrary Jesus said, he that does not gather scatters. Other dominations scattered, Jesus said He desired one fold, not many +++
 
JMM1957 said:
Are you asking who coined that phrase? I know where it came from. So, you think that it fits the Magisterium? Or just a possibility?
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Well the person writing it applied it (maybe not the first to do so) to both King and Pope.
 
Duane1966 said:
I thought St. Peter was the first pope, ergo the papacy was there.
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In post 276 I responded to “the Apostles had absolute power”. It is in the eyes of the beholder to interpret, the way it is worded.
 
Doormouse said:
hi benur

inviting me for what exactly? can you not see how it pans out?
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Right. I was referring to you citing divine revelation as “figuring” things out for Peter. I was not referring to the Lord’s response, which again is in the eyes of the beholder to “discern” meaning. Like does that mean that Peter figured it out for the whole world and just receive it from Peter ?

Blessings
 
PRmerger said:
Excellent.

So you have no objection to a group of men having theological authority over the early Christians, and, by extension, over you?
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Right, especially if you do not frame it as “absolute”. I would further add that it must be from the “authorship” of God. Just like in OT.
If it was not truly spoken, authored by Jehovah, you were not bound to it. That is, the utterance would have no legitimate authority, by definition.

I think it is same logic CC applies to any differences with O"s and P’s

Blessings
 
benhur said:
Right, especially if you do not frame it as “absolute”.
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Excellent.

So what group of men (or women) has authority over you, and has received this anointing from Christ, through His Apostles?
 
benhur said:
Right, especially if you do not frame it as “absolute”. I would further add that it must be from the “authorship” of God. Just like in OT.
If it was not truly spoken, authored by Jehovah, you were not bound to it. That is, the utterance would have no legitimate authority, by definition.

I think it is same logic CC applies to any differences with O"s and P’s

Blessings
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Ben, if I was trying to learn about Christianity, what reply would you give to me if I asked you this: How do I know the bible is inspired and inerrant?
 
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