Trent Horn - Does it matter which Christian denomination you belong to?

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benhur said:
Well the person writing it applied it (maybe not the first to do so) to both King and Pope.
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Since you brought up the term “absolute power” in relation to the papacy, could you please elaborate on how you feel it applies? Specific examples would be appreciated.
 
benhur said:
Right. I was referring to you citing divine revelation as “figuring” things out for Peter. I was not referring to the Lord’s response, which again is in the eyes of the beholder to “discern” meaning. Like does that mean that Peter figured it out for the whole world and just receive it from Peter ?

Blessings
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This whole authority issue is solved by recognizing what the Lord’s response to Peter does actually mean.😃
 
PRmerger said:
Excellent.

So what group of men (or women) has authority over you, and has received this anointing from Christ, through His Apostles?
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Now PR, don’t pigeon hole me into your paradigm. It is obvious there are several ways at looking at authority and authenticity. I would just say perhaps God allows it so that no man/ church can boast and really, I mean really( I need to remember this also) God is sovereign. The confusion only comes from our own weakness in perception and other poor traits.

I mean the horse is already out of the barn, and has been “fruitful” elsewhere. Vat 2 partially concedes this.( I say partially because you know how hard it is to please us P’s).

Blessings
 
PRmerger said:
Why should there be anything to square?

The kerygma was given once for all to the Church.

Men in the Church, under the assistance of the Holy Spirit, take this kerygma and develop our understanding of it.
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What about Limbo, for example? Once taught, now rejected, by the Church.
 
JMM1957 said:
This whole authority issue is solved by recognizing what the Lord’s response to Peter does actually mean.😃
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Yes, that is why you have C’s, O’s, and P’s, each recognizing somewhat differently.

Blessings
 
Duane1966 said:
Ben, if I was trying to learn about Christianity, what reply would you give to me if I asked you this: How do I know the bible is inspired and inerrant?
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Well, such a good question and one that I have heard answered quite well by others and I can not recall their response.

But, I have told non believers that it is impossible in their present spiritual condition for them to believe the bible as inspired and inerrant. Specific faith in the bible is a gift from God as is the faith in Christ (transforming us into a"believer"). As a believer one can see or be taught evidences for the bible’s veracity, from a historical to literary to religious cradling and prophetic accuracy etc., etc…

blessings
 
No one should belong to a Christian denomination. All should be Catholic, as Jesus prayed for and desires.
 
benhur said:
Now PR, don’t pigeon hole me into your paradigm. It is obvious there are several ways at looking at authority and authenticity. I would just say perhaps God allows it so that no man/ church can boast and really, I mean really( I need to remember this also) God is sovereign. The confusion only comes from our own weakness in perception and other poor traits.

I mean the horse is already out of the barn, and has been “fruitful” elsewhere. Vat 2 partially concedes this.( I say partially because you know how hard it is to please us P’s).

Blessings
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WHere specifically did Vatican Ii proclaim that said it didn’t matter what denomination you belonged to? IAnd given you recognize no authority but your personal interpretation of Scripture (a book, ironically ,given to you by the Catholic Church) why would you invoke a council of the Church as proof of your beliefs
 
estesbob said:
WHere specifically did Vatican Ii proclaim that said it didn’t matter what denomination you belonged to? IAnd given you recognize no authority but your personal interpretation of Scripture (a book, ironically ,given to you by the Catholic Church) why would you invoke a council of the Church as proof of your beliefs
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I think lumen gentium, if that is vat 2, concedes we are “brethren”, and that there is saving grace in other churches (folks being born again, baptized into Christ). Don’t think I portrayed that the council or church ever said it did not matter what denomination one belongs to.The CC only recognizes one denomination ,one church ,all others stemming or adding to that one church in unity.

Blessings

PS have wrong idea that I recognize no authority
 
benhur said:
I think lumen gentium, if that is vat 2, concedes we are “brethren”, and that there is saving grace in other churches (folks being born again, baptized into Christ). Don’t think I portrayed that the council or church ever said it did not matter what denomination one belongs to.The CC only recognizes one denomination ,one church ,all others stemming or adding to that one church in unity.

Blessings

PS have wrong idea that I recognize no authority
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What authority do you recognize ?
 
benhur said:
I think lumen gentium, if that is vat 2, concedes we are “brethren”, and that there is saving grace in other churches (folks being born again, baptized into Christ).
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That is not even close to saying, “It doesn’t matter what denomination you belong to”.

All that is (that there is saving grace in other churches and that you are our brethren), is simply a reiteration of Apollos, who was full of fervor for the Lord, but in need of being taken aside by Priscilla and Aquila for some gentle correction in what he was professing.

V2 said that our Protestant brethren stand in the tradition of Apollos–able to be graced, but in need of some admonition and doctrinal correction.
 
PRmerger said:
That is not even close to saying, “It doesn’t matter what denomination you belong to”.

All that is (that there is saving grace in other churches and that you are our brethren), is simply a reiteration of Apollos, who was full of fervor for the Lord, but in need of being taken aside by Priscilla and Aquila for some gentle correction in what he was professing.

V2 said that our Protestant brethren stand in the tradition of Apollos–able to be graced, but in need of some admonition and doctrinal correction.
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Right.Agree.Did not say it said that .I posted:" Don’t think I portrayed that the council or church ever said it did not matter what denomination one belongs to."

But it does start to qualify why it matters about denominations. Another words, many denominations have saving grace, therefore that can not be one of the differences. Then we must have different reasons for denominational preference.

Blessings
 
benhur said:
Well spiritually, my parents, my spiritual "father’’, my pastors and finally any clergy, even brethren, who speak the truth on a matter.
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How do you determine who is speaking the truth?
 
benhur said:
Hie,

The same way you do, almost. Now as to which church then and how to decide that, again, the same way as you do, almost.

Blessings
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You find the church you can trace back through history, whose bishops were ordained by bishops who were ordained by bishops<snip 2000 years> who were ordained by the Apostles?

And then you conform your views to what this church decrees?

That’s how you decide which church to join?
 
PRmerger said:
You find the church you can trace back through history, whose bishops were ordained by bishops who were ordained by bishops<snip 2000 years> who were ordained by the Apostles?

And then you conform your views to what this church decrees?

That’s how you decide which church to join?
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Not even close , join a church based on teaching , not by laying of hands , that is a poor reason.
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Not even close , join a church based on teaching , not by laying of hands , that is a poor reason.
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Join a church based on the teaching that conforms to your view of Scripture?

That’s creating a god in your own image, isn’t it?

Rather, shouldn’t you find the Church Christ established, and then conform your views to Christ’s, right?

Otherwise, what you are doing when you join a church that teaches things you believe is joining the Church of the Almighty Self, rather than the Church of the Almighty.

What is that saying? * “When I submit only when I agree, then the one to whom I submit, really is me.”* :eek:
 
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