Trent Horn - Does it matter which Christian denomination you belong to?

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Thorolfr said:
I just looked at the video called “Owning Our Faith” at the outreach site Out at St. Paul, and it doesn’t really emphasize celibacy. In the video, they interview a transgender person (female-to-male) who gives a very moving interview:
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I just got done reading some statements from a priest who works in this particular ministry, and he was the one who said that the Church teaching on celibacy is of foremost importance.
 
PRmerger said:
I think he may be preaching that homosexuality is not disordered?
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To be honest, I don’t know all the details, I just started reading up on it myself. If this is what the pastor is preaching, then I would have some concerns.
 
JMM1957 said:
I just got done reading some statements from a priest who works in this particular ministry, and he was the one who said that the Church teaching on celibacy is of foremost importance.
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Well at least when it comes to female-to-male transgender people they don’t seem to have a problem calling them “brothers” which is a good thing.
 
PRmerger said:
None of this should matter, Tommy, as far as choosing to be Catholic or not.

Either the CC is the Church Christ established, or it’s not.

Whether there’s a priest who disobeys the kerygma is irrelevant.

If you’re going to look for a church where everyone follows the kerygma, you’re going to be on an otiose search.
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Agreed.
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Strike the" your view of " part out and you got my belief , find a church that teaches the Gospel and administers the sacraments , instead of choosing a church that out of pride and arrogance claims to be infallible and has a highly questionable link to the apostolic teaching .
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Does your church have the link that you say the CC doesn’t? Seriously, please show me.
 
JMM1957 said:
Does your church have the link that you say the CC doesn’t? Seriously, please show me.
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I didn’t say it didn’t have a link , I said it was questioned ( referring to the orthodox claim) .
 
Thorolfr said:
Thank goodness there are such compassionate priests when it comes to LGBT people.
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Indeed. I know of many priests who are very compassionate to LGBT.

Just like they are compassionate to polyamorous folks.

Most priests are quite compassionate to all of us in our sin and weakness.

They just don’t let the LGBT folks continue in their disordered desires.
 
i see certain posts by certain people and I wonder, is this a forum to discuss non catholic religions or a forum to try to bash the catholic church and attempt to undermine the faith of some catholics by throwing as much stuff against the wall and hoping some of it will stick.
 
benjamindt said:
i see certain posts by certain people and I wonder, is this a forum to discuss non catholic religions or a forum to try to bash the catholic church and attempt to undermine the faith of some catholics by throwing as much stuff against the wall and hoping some of it will stick.
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Are you trying to flamethrow ? we are not bashing anyone.

Keep the faith Starwars 🙂
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Are you trying to flamethrow ? we are not bashing anyone.

Keep the faith Starwars 🙂
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i didn’t name a single person. odd that you’d respond this way. I’m just pointing out an observation I had. Luckily this isn’t England during the “reformation” and I can be allowed to make observations that protestants might not like.
 
benjamindt said:
i didn’t name a single person. odd that you’d respond this way. I’m just pointing out an observation I had. Luckily this isn’t England during the “reformation” and I can be allowed to make observations that protestants might not like.
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Look, ben, we were all having a happy little discussion here, Protestant and Catholic alike.

If you are seeing ill-will and derogation, then you should go to another thread.

As for the rest of us, carry on! 👍
 
PRmerger said:
Indeed. I know of many priests who are very compassionate to LGBT.

Just like they are compassionate to polyamorous folks.

Most priests are quite compassionate to all of us in our sin and weakness.

They just don’t let the LGBT folks continue in their disordered desires.
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Very Lutheran this:thumbsup:
 
benjamindt said:
i see certain posts by certain people and I wonder, is this a forum to discuss non catholic religions or a forum to try to bash the catholic church and attempt to undermine the faith of some catholics by throwing as much stuff against the wall and hoping some of it will stick.
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Personally, I have no problem discussing different viewpoints here as long as its done in the right spirit. There are some hit and run posters, but generally its civil.
 
PRmerger said:
Indeed. I know of many priests who are very compassionate to LGBT.

Just like they are compassionate to polyamorous folks.

Most priests are quite compassionate to all of us in our sin and weakness.

They just don’t let the LGBT folks continue in their disordered desires.
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All a priest can do is state the teachings of the Catholic Church. They don’t have any way to prevent LGBT folks from doing things that contradict those teachings. For example, here’s something from a young gay man posted at Out at St. Paul:
And yes I know that the Catholic church says you can be gay, but you have to be celibate. What I want to explain to you is that, yes, I’m gay and I want to continue to practice my Catholic faith but I don’t necessarily just want to be celibate. I want to have a partner, I want to have a family.”
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So what I’ve learned is that I can be gay and I can be Catholic and the two can actually build on each other and strengthen both parts of my identity. My relationship with God is between just the two of us. It shouldn’t be formed by what the Catholic church is saying or even what my parents say, that that relationship that I have with God is a very personal, a very nuanced relationship. And it doesn’t have to follow any rules or teachings, it can just be what I want it to be.
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outatstpaul.org/carlo-i-can-be-gay-and-i-can-be-catholic-and-the-two-can-actually-build-on-each-other/
 
Thorolfr said:
All a priest can do is state the teachings of the Catholic Church. They don’t have any way to prevent LGBT folks from doing things that contradict those teachings. For example, here’s something from a young gay man posted at Out at St. Paul:
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Similar to Christ, eh?

All he could do was state that divorce and remarriage is adultery, for example, but he didn’t have any way to stop folks from saying, “I want to divorce and re-marry and still have it be approved!”
 
PRmerger said:
Can you cite the Lutheran document which elucidates the Lutheran teaching on homosexuality?
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Augsburg Confession 1530. Section the marriage of priests , it references scripture that speaks of marriage for both layman and priests as being between a man and woman .
 
PRmerger said:
Can you cite the Lutheran document which elucidates the Lutheran teaching on homosexuality?
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It depends on what kind of Lutherans you’re talking about. ELCA Lutherans will have a very different position on homosexuality than LCMS Lutherans.
 
Starwarsfan2 said:
Augsburg Confession 1530. Section the marriage of priests , it references scripture that speaks of marriage for both layman and priests as being between a man and woman .
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But nothing from your elders today in light of all the news?

Nothing to speak to Lutherans of today from your elders?
 
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